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  • #46
    Originally posted by abi View Post
    Yup greek yoghurt did that to me too. Who knew? Lol. You'll just have to get down and dirty with heavy cream.

    Are you counting total carbs or net? I read through the 100 pages or so of 'eat MOAR fat' and it really shook my way of thinking up...for the better. I took Paleobird's line of thinking from that (hopefully correctly?) and I started counting net carbs (total carbs minus fibre) and still feel like it's working pretty good. But I'm learning, n=1
    I really wanted to get some heavy cream last night, but I couldn't find any without carrageenan. It kinda pissed me off a little. I'm not sure if it's net carbs or total. I'm using Paleotrack but you are absolutely right, I don't need to count the fiber. I forgot about that. I think I'm going to go back and re-read the eat moar fat thread. I kept up reading it for quite awhile, but I don't think I ever got to the end.

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    • #47
      Alrighty, so I have been pretty low carb since Saturday morning, went for a run on Sunday (about five miles, slowly) and did Les Mills today, so I would think that I would have burned through glycogen stores, but Ketostix are still coming up negative. What does this mean?

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      • #48
        If you are interested in ketosis, I STRONGLY (can't emphasize that enough) recommend 3 things to read:

        1. My Personal Nutrition Journey The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. - read all 4 parts

        2. The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living: An Expert Guide to Making the Life-Saving Benefits of Carbohydrate Restriction Sustainable and Enjoyable: Stephen D. Phinney, Jeff S. Volek: 9780983490708: Amazon.com: Books - read this book first

        3. Amazon.com: The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance (9780983490715): Jeff S. Volek, Stephen D. Phinney: Books read this book second

        Also - you may find a number of the videos at Diet Doctor - Real food for your health useful - especially Dr. Mary Vernon's interview.

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        • #49
          Nice list.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
            Alrighty, so I have been pretty low carb since Saturday morning, went for a run on Sunday (about five miles, slowly) and did Les Mills today, so I would think that I would have burned through glycogen stores, but Ketostix are still coming up negative. What does this mean?
            Can take up to a week to get into ketosis....unless your fasting. Even fat and protein you eat will reduce the use of glycogen stores. That said chillax . Running slowly actually just assures that you preferably burned fat rather than glycogen, so it didn't put much a dent into your progression. I think keto-stix are a bit too stressful. I like to adhere to the dietary theory and assume my body is working the rest out.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
              Can take up to a week to get into ketosis....unless your fasting. Even fat and protein you eat will reduce the use of glycogen stores. That said chillax . Running slowly actually just assures that you preferably burned fat rather than glycogen, so it didn't put much a dent into your progression. I think keto-stix are a bit too stressful. I like to adhere to the dietary theory and assume my body is working the rest out.
              I think you're right. Chill pill taken.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
                Alrighty, so I have been pretty low carb since Saturday morning, went for a run on Sunday (about five miles, slowly) and did Les Mills today, so I would think that I would have burned through glycogen stores, but Ketostix are still coming up negative. What does this mean?
                It means give it time. You will get there. And also ketostix don't always tell the correct story. They measure spilled ketones in the urine. It is possible your body is either not producing excess ketones that can be spilled and/or your body is using all the ketones it makes if it is making any.

                I'd advise taking it easy on the cardio. It's going to be stressful to make the transition without adding that kind of additional stress. Just take a nice walk. It'll help more than cardio.
                Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                • #53
                  That does bring up the two contending views on entering ketosis though sbhikes. Some like to do the "ice plunge" glycogen depleting workouts and fast for 1-3 days...while others like to ease into it like a hot tub with some walking and just let the diet do the job. I think the "carb flu" may be shorter and more intense with the former...and either non-existent to prolonged and annoying in the latter. The other aspect is the achivement of eating and mental zen at an early or slower state. Ahhhh the possibilities are endless . Plenty of variability for the human condition, even in how we enter ketosis.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    It means give it time. You will get there. And also ketostix don't always tell the correct story. They measure spilled ketones in the urine. It is possible your body is either not producing excess ketones that can be spilled and/or your body is using all the ketones it makes if it is making any.

                    I'd advise taking it easy on the cardio. It's going to be stressful to make the transition without adding that kind of additional stress. Just take a nice walk. It'll help more than cardio.
                    Sounds good. I'm just focusing right now on doing my lifting and 1X HIIT per week now that I've started this keto experiement. Anything else will be walking, cleaning house, playing with the kiddos type of stuff.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                      That does bring up the two contending views on entering ketosis though sbhikes. Some like to do the "ice plunge" glycogen depleting workouts and fast for 1-3 days...while others like to ease into it like a hot tub with some walking and just let the diet do the job. I think the "carb flu" may be shorter and more intense with the former...and either non-existent to prolonged and annoying in the latter. The other aspect is the achivement of eating and mental zen at an early or slower state. Ahhhh the possibilities are endless . Plenty of variability for the human condition, even in how we enter ketosis.
                      I think I'll just take it easy on myself and let the diet do it's job, lol!!! Five small children and fasting with intense exercise sounds like a nightmare to me, lol!!!

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
                        I think I'll just take it easy on myself and let the diet do it's job, lol!!! Five small children and fasting with intense exercise sounds like a nightmare to me, lol!!!
                        I agree....why add to the stress of it if you don't have to...I'm just conversing AKA bored at home watching a monday night football game that sucks.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                          I agree....why add to the stress of it if you don't have to...I'm just conversing AKA bored at home watching a monday night football game that sucks.
                          I'm bored too. I suppose I should get my kiddies ready for bed.

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                          • #58
                            Speaking of fasting, I just fasted my way into ketosis today. Ah, amazing. See what a little two day fast that is led up by a moderate weightlifting session can do?

                            But enough of that. Let the diet do its thing, yeah, that's best. I mean really. Either you fast into it or you accept that it's going to take some time. Don't fight it, just make it part of your daily routine and let it come when your body says its ready. It'll take anywhere from a week to two weeks to get fully into ketosis. Your body will get there when the glycogen is kicked from the system.
                            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
                              I'm bored too. I suppose I should get my kiddies ready for bed.
                              My night off.....wife is on tonight........yes we alternate based on schedule and I damn well take every gram of freedom I get from my night

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                              • #60
                                great list - I'll add these on to the ever-expanding book list for St. Nick!

                                I love that so much free info is available online though - definitely cuts down on expenses.
                                Last edited by abi; 11-20-2012, 08:34 AM. Reason: typo
                                if you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room

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