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    I'm slowly replacing the legumes and rice in my diet with more coconut, fish, meat, eggs, and dairy. We get raw milk here, and I can tolerate it (I'm sensitive to pasteurized milk). I also consume curd and cheese almost daily. Actually I find dairy addictive, especially milk and cheese, a bit similar to how wheat and legumes are for me, so am wondering whether it's good for me? I don't have this addictive feeling to fish, eggs, meat.

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    I do lots of local, pastured, organic, minimally pasteurized dairy (milk, butter, cheese, cream). I have no problems with it and consider it excellent nutrition.
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    • #3
      Lots of Vitamin K2 is important to my effort to reverse CVD. Grassfed dairy is my favourite source
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      • #4
        Dairy is one of those paleo/primal grey areas and usually comes down to individual preference. Personally I eat a little dairy such as cream in one coffee a day; the odd bit of cheese etc and that works for me.

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        • #5
          I'm not too sensitive to pasteurized milk, but the homogenized stuff is vile. Pint's worth a day, at most, before I see problems. Thankfully, most dairy products here are pasteurized but not homogenized, so I can have them. I enjoy them and find it hard to boost my kcals without butter or yoghurt (I seem to use fat more efficiently than carbs/starches). Cheaper to get grass-fed, too. I'd just recommend cutting it out or lowering it to see if you feel better without it. If you're pretty much the same, go for it!
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          • #6
            I am 61. We have had local, raw dairy for a year or so, getting cheese, milk and yogurt every 2 weeks. I have enjoyed it a lot, BUT last week, for some reason I had a dairy binge (several times a day for a week) including store-bought Greek yogurt and ice-cream. At the time I did not notice anything real different because I have had chronic sinus issues for years, including constant post-nasal drip. Towards the end of the week, however, I began to get a sore throat and tight feeling in my chest. It got worse to the point where my voice was affected and I would get dry coughing fits and I felt tired. When the chest congestion broke, I coughed a lot, mainly in the morning, and was surprised (yuck factor coming up) to see that I was upchucking from my lungs...pure white chunks of cottage cheese-like substance. Googling it, it seemed that the dairy binge had been the culprit. So, no dairy for a week now...breathing getting much better, coughing infrequent. Has it been all these years that dairy, even when intake was moderate AND the best possible dairy, has been the culprit for my PNAR (Perennial Non-Allergic Rhinitis)? I hope so because I would finally have THE answer I need to unclog my system.
            Last edited by Aili; 11-17-2012, 09:45 AM.

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            • #7
              I found this to be the case with me. I have had to eliminate all dairy to avoid constant sinus drain. It has been extremely difficult for me as I grew up in the cheese-head state (Wisconsin). Habits are sometimes hard to break.
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              • #8
                I've found I do better with as little dairy as possible. I do still use cream in my coffee, and the occasional bit of yummy goat cheese but that is about it. I consumed several gallons of skim milk weekly prior to going Primal/Paleo in August and I think my body is thanking me. I am still concerned about calcium however...am considering supplementation but I understand that is problematic as well.

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                • #9
                  It IS hard to say no to dairy!

                  Originally posted by B2B View Post
                  I found this to be the case with me. I have had to eliminate all dairy to avoid constant sinus drain. It has been extremely difficult for me as I grew up in the cheese-head state (Wisconsin). Habits are sometimes hard to break.
                  It is hard to break because dairy was / is a comfort food for me, my go-to food stuff for a snack.BUT, I'll be searching for ways to do without. A good friend is completely dairy-free and paleo so I will talk to her about what she does.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Catrin View Post
                    I've found I do better with as little dairy as possible. I do still use cream in my coffee, and the occasional bit of yummy goat cheese but that is about it. I consumed several gallons of skim milk weekly prior to going Primal/Paleo in August and I think my body is thanking me. I am still concerned about calcium however...am considering supplementation but I understand that is problematic as well.

                    Well for me, it looks as if I need to be totally away from dairy due to it being like an addictive substance for me. Calcium can be from Bok Choy and other vegetables. From dairy, it is not that available from my understanding.

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                    • #11
                      I've mostly stopped drinking milk, even though I do fairly decent with raw milk. Instead now I have homemade raw kefir every day, and eat raw cheeses often
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                      • #12
                        When you eat the whole product it shouldn't be a problem; lots of fats and protein in it, you won't overeat easily. Generally replacing legumes and rice with the stuff you mention is a good switch assuming you're not doing a lot of cardio. Then I'd keep some benign carbs in your diet like (sweet) potato's, root vegetables and rice (assuming you do not trigger any immune response with any of these).

                        I recognize the 'addictive' aspect of dairy (products) and eating lots of it, but it doesn't do me any harm (little immune response in my body), I do not gain weight and mostly I can do with less food the next day.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Aili View Post
                          Well for me, it looks as if I need to be totally away from dairy due to it being like an addictive substance for me. Calcium can be from Bok Choy and other vegetables. From dairy, it is not that available from my understanding.

                          Yes it can be from veggies, but from what I can tell not near enough for a 53 year old woman... Even with all of the veggies I eat I can barely get 30% of the recommended amount. Now, I understand there is some controversy about that, and I do take a magnesium supplement, but it is still somewhat concerning. I certainly get weight bearing exercise though

                          I get how dairy can be addictive - especially with things like cheese and ice cream.

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                          • #14
                            other than clarified butter, i basically avoid dairy.

                            i discovered as a vegan that I have a very mild lactose intolerance. but, because of my cholestrol issues (too low), I had to go vegetarian and consume eggs/dairy. I went to raw dairy, which had less of an effect than pasteurized (like you!).

                            when we moved to a more wet environment (damp), our consumption of grains and dairy, while not great, started to cause several problems. At the same time, by husband was having gut issues (which he'd been having for some months prior to moving, btu went entirely haywire once we were here in the damp). DH's naturopath suggested that he go gluten and dairy free, and we "discovered" paleo.

                            It took about two weeks to finish the remainder of the grains in the house (rice and quinoa, so not even "bad" gains really), and two weeks into paleo/primal, we were doing *really* well. I'd lost the puffiness, stomach upset, pad of fat on my lower abdomen, and lots of little things that I just thought i'd have to "live with" as part of my body simply because it was "what was" -- only to learn that wheat was the big culprit. Truly fascinating.

                            So, now that I'm grain free and dairy free (except we use clarified butter occasionally -- which doesn't have any impact on us), I feel really good. We consider these part of our very occasional 20% (ie, we go for high quality gelato every once in a while, and it's quite nice! maybe every 12-16 weeks or so, if that?).

                            It's great. And, we are lean as ever, which we enjoy, and have no tummy aches or problems along those lines.

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                            • #15
                              oh, and our son gets raw milk yogurt and clarified butter and organic raw cheese. he gets gluten free buns and rice balls at the kindy, too, and sometimes they make a lentil or bean soup. But he's otherwise paleo/primal at home.

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