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  • #76
    Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
    Because it will be on the other side of the country and I can't bring the ingredients with me on the plane?

    Besides that, we usually have a full plate of activities planned on our Christmas trips, so I won't exactly have time to go shopping either. It's a nice idea Marissa, but it's TOTALLY not feasable given how things usually work.

    Oh, and there would be some butt-hurt family members bitching about the fact that I have to be "difficult" and have "abnormal dietary needs." We do get sensitive about our food in this family.
    I'm sorry.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by EnglishRose2012 View Post
      Some of us are made like this. for me sugar is like cocaine or alcohol. I cannot have one. I have to have the whole packet and if I "come off the wagon" I am utterly lost. For us a 80./20 rules does not work at all - it would be like saying to the heroine addict - hey have just this little bit. Those who do not have this sugar addiction cannot really understand how it is for those in our category.

      The only answer is total abstinence. There are huge numbers of people like that. The process of getting clean from the addictive substance is important and then never stray and in fact you lose the urge anyway for sugar but do not think for one moment you are safe to try some. You aren't. radiantrecovery.com is a helpful resource.

      If I have loads of fruit or bananas or nuts and raisins I am also indulging the same sugar needs and I always want these even if I am utterly full to the brim, stuffed with good foods, veg, fat and protein. This is nothing to do with hunger. It is about the brain needing that hit of the sugar high - sugar affects the same bit of the brain as cocaine. I suspect women are more affected by this than men and it is not taken at all seriously by most people who think it is funny whereas if it were alcohol you were searching the house for they would be sympathetic.
      I used to be able to have just a little bit of something sweet and be satisfied. I don't know if it's because of my candida overgrowth, but that has completely changed now. I completely understand how you feel about being stuffed with good food and still wanting sugar. That happens to me on a nightly basis lately. It always seems to hit in the evening. I'm fine all day eating healthy, but the cravings come on strong at night, usually made much worse by my having a drink or 2 in the evenings. I think the sugar cravings are what makes me go for the alcohol, and then it just snowballs. I usually keep it to paleo desserts (I can turn just about ANYTHING into a paleo dessert!), but still end up over eating on them.
      Thanksgiving took things to a whole new level though. I decided to just eat what my family made for dinner and to really enjoy it, then get right back to eating well the next day. Well, I topped off dinner with THREE slices of pie. Yesterday I started off with pumpkin coffee cake, then ate clean, then had 2 drinks, which made me want more sugar, so I had a paleo dessert, which also made me want more sugar, and I ended up having 3 slices of pie again.
      I have to go cold turkey, including cutting out the paleo desserts, and that's all there is to it. Thanks for mentioning the Radiant Recovery website, I'm going to check it out.

      Originally posted by Louisa655 View Post
      just remember that this is what dependency feels like -- an addiction -- and it's bloody hard to kick. Ask a smoker 20 years after quitting, how strong the desire is for a cigarette with their morning coffee --- they'll tell you --- it's always there. The desire for a cigarette never disappears. Think about how long you (we) have been consuming processed sugars and wheat --- and it's going to take a very dedicated strong individual to consciously say: No More (moar). This is an addiction, and to believe it's anything less than that is to under estimate its power. Use whatever self-control or strategic planning you can to avoid the times when you know you will be vulnerable. We are waging war against refined wheats, grains and sugars -- and no one ever promised that it would be easy.


      Thank you for this. I actually printed this out and highlighted the bolded section. Tonight when the demons start calling, I will put on my Vibrams, grab my iPod full of podcasts, and go for a long walk.

      I'm also going to re-read Robb Wolf's book to reinforce what gluten and sugar do to the body. For a long time, when I looked at things like cookies and pies and anything packaged, I didn't see food. I need to find a way to get back to that place.

      I'm grateful for this timely thread. I felt really good when I did the GAPS intro diet a few weeks ago, it's time to get back to it.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
        Oh, and sugar is killing people? Are you sure about that? Since around 1970 sucrose has seen a sharp decline in usage, yet diabetes and obesity has been increasing.
        Oh so now you're trolling that the exact definition of sugar being sucrose and sucrose only. Never mind that high fucktose corn syrup is sugar? Never mind that EVERY SINGLE CARB that we eat -- reagardless of source -- turns into blood sugar and your body doesn't know or care whether it was originally a sweet potato or Pepsi or your precious whole wheat? Sugar kills, end of story.

        I'm done.
        5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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        • #79
          I feel your pain OP I have been on many yo yo diets over the years. What derailed every one was relaxing on the sugar/carbs. I have a weird thing where if I have something with sugar, I then seem to need something salty/savoury to counteract it......followed by something sugary LOL. a neverending cycle. I have now found I am very allergic to eggs and dairy, so a lot of my favourite puddings etc. are just not possible anymore, which makes me sad, but will make keeping honest a lot easier.
          Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
          Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
          Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
            I'm sorry.
            Yeah, me too, me too. But you and I have a commitment to the lifestyle and changing it to "suit" others is a mistake. We both know that. We have to do what makes US feel good and not what makes others feel good.

            To them I say... Fooey!
            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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            • #81
              Originally posted by oxide View Post
              Oh so now you're trolling that the exact definition of sugar being sucrose and sucrose only. Never mind that high fucktose corn syrup is sugar? Never mind that EVERY SINGLE CARB that we eat -- reagardless of source -- turns into blood sugar and your body doesn't know or care whether it was originally a sweet potato or Pepsi or your precious whole wheat? Sugar kills, end of story.

              I'm done.
              Are you kidding me? Holy cow. HFCS is a whole different monster. HFCS is 55% fructose and 45% glucose. Sucrose is equal parts glucose and sucrose. HFCS is fructose and glucose in free form. HFCS in studies has been shown to have 500% and upwards of calories because of undigested cornstarch molecules. They're still equal? They're not. You're getting many more calories than you bargain for with HFCS.


              No, sugar doesn't kill. Do you even have a remote idea of what you're talking about? When your dietary carb and blood sugar levels are low the adrenaline hormone liberates free fatty acids from stored fat to be used for energy, as well as another mechanism that goes along with it called gluconeogenesis in which cortisol will spike your blood sugar anyway! Except it does it by converting your own body tissues.

              By going low carb you're essentially going to experience a blood sugar rollercoaster, screw your metabolism, burden your liver, and stress nearly every cell in your body.

              But, right, sugar kills, and I'm trolling so ignore me.
              Last edited by Derpamix; 11-24-2012, 02:13 PM.
              Make America Great Again

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                By going low carb you're essentially going to experience a blood sugar rollercoaster, screw your metabolism, burden your liver, and stress nearly every cell in your body.

                But, right, sugar kills, and I'm trolling so ignore me.
                Yes, because your body is utterly incapable of managing its own internal blood sugar through any other means than consuming copeous amounts of sugars daily.

                Wow, I feel really sorry for the Inuits then. They must perpetually be on the verge of death.
                "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                  Yes, because your body is utterly incapable of managing its own internal blood sugar through any other means than consuming copeous amounts of sugars daily.

                  Wow, I feel really sorry for the Inuits then. They must perpetually be on the verge of death.
                  Kitavans look much healthier than the Inuits. Hey, look, I can straw mans too!
                  Make America Great Again

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                    Kitavans look much healthier than the Inuits. Hey, look, I can straw mans too!
                    Looks alone, do not health, determine.
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                    • #85
                      After eating a higher carb diet over the holidays, I noticed I felt quite a bit better. Now, sugar junk food leaves me feeling like crap. But a higher amount of good carbs makes me feel more energized and does not necessarily make me feel like shit.

                      I think it comes down to the nutrition values:
                      Meal one- frozen pizza and crappy salad- put me to sleep an hour later.
                      Meal two- fish with roasted veggies and potatoes- felt great
                      Meal three- thanksgiving- turkey, sweet potatoes, mashed potatoes, good salad, stuffing, paleo apple crisp and ice cream- felt great. Went out and played with kids for a few hours.

                      I noticed that a lot of carbs available to us are crappy. Like at the airport for breakfast- you could have a cinnabon.... that's nutritionally useless and appeared to be the breakfast of choice. I had a LaraBar- high in good carbs, but sustained me for most of the day.

                      I think when you are low carb, you probably are going to go a little crazy when you have some carbs at first, but if you keep them to the "low reward" side, things will normalize. So, you may eat 3 bananas at first, but once your body gets enough carbs, you won't have those cravings. Then its just a matter of balancing everything out (ie, eating less fat calories to allow for more carbs). It's like when I started eating good fats again- my body wanted them so badly, I could not get enough. Frankly, it was gross. I think I ate all the skin off a whole chicken in one sitting.

                      The processed carbs like cinnabon and candy are like taking crack for some people. But I think overtime, you will see the consumption of good carbs normalize even if you started with some overeating of them, as long as you keep the crack foods out of your diet.

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                      • #86
                        Simple carbs especially can be very addictive like drugs so it could be something to do with that.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          Oh, and sugar is killing people? Are you sure about that? Since around 1970 sucrose has seen a sharp decline in usage, yet diabetes and obesity has been increasing.

                          Also, no one is "dropping dead". Life expectancy in 1st world countries is quite high. People may be unhealthy, but our life expectancy rate is much higher than it was before.
                          Functional lifespan is decreasing in America. Our ability to keep sick people alive keeps improving - but our state of health is declining. The curve turned downward in 1998.

                          "The average number of healthy years has decreased since 1998. We spend fewer years of our lives without disease, even though we live longer.

                          A male 20-year-old in 1998 could expect to live another 45 years without at least one of the leading causes of death: cardiovascular disease, cancer or diabetes. That number fell to 43.8 years in 2006, the loss of more than a year. For young women, expected years of life without serious disease fell from 49.2 years to 48 years over the last decade.

                          At the same time, the number of people who report lack of mobility has grown, starting with young adults. Functional mobility was defined as the ability to walk up ten steps, walk a quarter mile, stand or sit for 2 hours, and stand, bend or kneel without using special equipment.

                          A male 20-year-old today can expect to spend 5.8 years over the rest of his life without basic mobility, compared to 3.8 years a decade ago an additional two years unable to walk up ten steps or sit for two hours. A female 20-year-old can expect 9.8 years without mobility, compared to 7.3 years a decade ago."


                          I'm glad you've never been fat and never had a problem processing carbs and sugar. Neither have I! However, I'm not willing to extrapolate my N=1 to the rest of the world, many of whom clearly do have such a problem. (There's this thing called "metabolic flexibility"...)

                          Yes, I personally eat a more Perfect Health Diet level of carbs. However, I don't feel it necessary to tell everyone who does better on VLC that they're Doing It Wrong and will inevitably wreck their thyroid/adrenals/whatever, because I don't see evidence that this is the case.

                          For instance: intermittent fasting. I'd say that IF counts as carb restriction...for 16-20 of 24 hours, you're eating no carbs at all. Furthermore, your liver doesn't contain enough glycogen to run your brain and blood cells for 16-20 hours, and your body will never let your liver get that low on glycogen anyway...so if you IF (or, even more impressively, ADF), you're going to be undergoing OMG GLUCONEOGENESIS CORTISOL ADRENAL FATIGUE!!!11!!1 for much of the day.

                          Yet I don't see legions of Peatarians and Potato Dieters rushing to excoriate Martin Berkhan or IF protocols.

                          A few tips:
                          1. Just because something works for you doesn't mean it'll work for the rest of the world.
                          2. Just because something works for you doesn't mean something else might not work even better.
                          3. Therefore, be cautious about getting all evangelistic about your individual dietary protocol.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by J. Stanton View Post

                            Yet I don't see legions of Peatarians and Potato Dieters rushing to excoriate Martin Berkhan or IF protocols.
                            J Stanton - Have you looked at the potato diet like we are doing it here? Whaddaya think?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by j. Stanton View Post
                              a few tips:
                              1. Just because something works for you doesn't mean it'll work for the rest of the world.
                              2. Just because something works for you doesn't mean something else might not work even better.
                              3. Therefore, be cautious about getting all evangelistic about your individual dietary protocol.
                              amen!!!

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                                The processed carbs like cinnabon and candy are like taking crack for some people. But I think overtime, you will see the consumption of good carbs normalize even if you started with some overeating of them, as long as you keep the crack foods out of your diet.
                                I'm pretty sure that this weekend I proved that I can't be trusted even with the "good carbs."

                                I had a few meals that were gluten free but had fair amounts of squash, sweet potatoes, and the like and I STILL felt bloated and lousy afterwards.

                                You cannot make a blanket statement that there are certain carbs that are just "good" for everyone.
                                "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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