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  • PHD also recommends an 8 hr window. Doesnt specify male/female. That one is easy, if dinner is at 6ish, I am ready by 10 some mornings rather than trying to wait until 1 like a Fast 5. He also gives guidelines for fasting w/food (sorry if I already posted this )
    65lbs gone and counting!!

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    • I had an unfortunate experiment with potatoes from Friday, a binge on Sunday night (unexcusable) and as a result shut down my digestion. However, the bright side!

      The only solution I know to all digestive upsets like that is to give it a prolonged rest from new imputs. But, of course I started to feel hungry (we are talking me, the bottomless pit of desire), so instead of water or tea I from desperation turned to the 'cleansing' type of stuff, juicing half a lemon into a cup of water and adding sea salt to it. Holy molly, it shut hunger off instantaneously. I am almost at 14 hour mark now, but I need much longer than that for the digestion to come on line.

      Keeping fingers crossed! I really need a long no food interval to get the system cleared out completely before trying to eat again (and less stupidly). The best is to miss this entire day. I am hoping that lemon + salt will keep me good till tomorrow morning. That would be super. I will keep this in mind, and maybe I will be able to IF with that.

      Yes, I am aware that I am taking calories and carbs with lemon juice, so it is not technically a proper fast, but i feel very well (all things considered!).
      Last edited by Leida; 12-10-2012, 09:09 AM.
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      • Originally posted by Leida View Post
        Yes, I am aware that I am taking calories and carbs with lemon juice, so it is not technically a proper fast, but i feel very well (all things considered!).
        Perfectly acceptable At least I dont see why not. Many days when I fast, if I can remember to drink that concoction first, or even throughout the day when I need a pick-me-up, it always seems to work. Thanks for that reminder

        I did a 16 this morning per PHD. Those are pretty effortless. I am looking forward to at least a 3 day at the first of the year. I think I am ready for it. Mentally and physically. Wonder if I should wait since I am feeling ready for it. Or just get through the holidays. We don't have too much going for a couple of weeks yet. hmmm
        65lbs gone and counting!!

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        • Originally posted by gopintos View Post
          I did a 16 this morning per PHD. Those are pretty effortless. I am looking forward to at least a 3 day at the first of the year.
          I am reading the new edition of PHD just released today. The chapter on Fasting is very interesting. (does not specify male or female - unless I missed that part) I dont think I have read some of the info anywhere before. And it might have been in the other book, I havent compared it, but fasting wasnt a big concern so I probably didnt read that Chapter very well, so it might very well already be there.

          So... this is very interesting. I don't want to give too much away since it was just released today, but I will say that my first sentence in the quote, will probably be what I strive for from now on. (for reasons I did not previously know) And let's just say that my last sentence, I am not worried about it coming into fruition

          I would add, that Mark wrote the Forward for the new book. Very nicely done.
          65lbs gone and counting!!

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          • What is "PHD?" thanks.

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            • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
              What is "PHD?" thanks.
              "Perfect Health Diet" which is a new dietary regemine that was written about in a book. It's similar to primal but advocates quite a bit more on the carb front and backs off a little on fat recommendations. It does support eliminating grains, IFing, and lots of other primal staples though.
              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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              • Thanks. I was trying to figure it out.

                I've noted that it's actually pretty easy to just "zone" it with calories and then just pick which one you emphasize -- fat or carbs.

                I figure a diet of 40% carbs, 30% fat and 30% protein is not that different from 40% fat, really.

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                • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                  Thanks. I was trying to figure it out.

                  I've noted that it's actually pretty easy to just "zone" it with calories and then just pick which one you emphasize -- fat or carbs.

                  I figure a diet of 40% carbs, 30% fat and 30% protein is not that different from 40% fat, really.
                  Whatever works for you!

                  I personally find that the higher the percentage that fat makes up in my diet, and the lower that carbs make up, the easier fasting (both short term and longer term) becomes for me. In fact, if anyone wants to try out fasting on a regular basis or even just a longer fast or two, this is something really useful to keep in mind.

                  The benefits of a fast are the same regardless of the diet you are eating, but implementing and engaging in fasts can become easier when you become more used to operating off the steadier fule supply of fat.
                  "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                  • I find that individuals are just individual. I haven't gone nearly as high fat as many on the boards do, because it never just worked out that way. Also, it wasn't pleasurable. LOL

                    So, eating between 40-45% for me works really well -- with fasting or otherwise.

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                    • turns out after doing a lot of math and stuff, my own protein intake is technically around 22-26% of my daily intake, not up to 30, which means that my fat must be higher as well. So I did a fit-day and it's looking like it's probably 50 (fat), 25 (protein), and 25 carbohydrate, but even still, the carbohydrate is below 100g/day -- on an average day at least.

                      It's interesting to observe.

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                      • It is all interesting. And I am "subject to change" And percentages are, well what's the word, they don't tell the whole story really. All depends on what the total calorie is which some days I am more and some days I am less. So I just try to shoot for less than 60g of fat while I am trying to lose weight. I really have to watch this.

                        The higher my fat goes (calories, percentage, grams, whatever) the slower my weight loss. Which makes sense in my mind, since both Mark and PHD are more about long term health and not about weight loss per se - a way of living for optimum health, and they both advocate high fat for that. So my N=1 shows that I can maintain on high fat (because I quit losing weight on high fat and at about 80-85% I start to gain, and it didnt really seem to matter so much what my calories were though that warrants more n=1) so to lose weight, I have to dial back the fat, which is what PHD says to do for weight loss - calorie restriction should come from fat.

                        But that is my goal at the moment. PPL IF for different reasons. It is easier for me to stay in my ranges if I can push off opening the window, so lately I have been trying to make sure I wait at least 16 hours. It helps if I start with something like salmon and eggs over something carby, but even then if I start earlier, I end up really having to reign it in the rest of the day.

                        Yesterday, I tried something different. I started with bone broth, small tator, and kraut for my first meal. My thinking was maybe that even though I was opening my window, it might would help me to extend the fasting effects. It may have been too much, about 100 calories, so I dont know.

                        I am a work in progress
                        65lbs gone and counting!!

                        Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                        • That makes sense. It would be easy to cut back on the fat, honestly.

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                          • I am finding the same, gopintos. Others have posted how important it is to dial back the fat once you get close to your weight loss goal (I'm assuming you are not far off now).
                            F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                            • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                              That makes sense. It would be easy to cut back on the fat, honestly.
                              Fairly easy. But I had just learned how to add fat in. So when I went to cut it back, I was like wth do I eat now?! haha. So mostly I just had to cut out the extra fats, like butter on the steak but not the steak.

                              Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                              I am finding the same, gopintos. Others have posted how important it is to dial back the fat once you get close to your weight loss goal (I'm assuming you are not far off now).
                              Well you would think I would be close. But I spent alot of months trying to go higher & higher fat, haha. I was still losing but slow up until it was like 85% and then it stopped. But I didnt want to give up too soon. So it took me awhile to make sense of my tracking and figure out what I needed to do.

                              So I really thought I would be done by Christmas. But I am not. And I don't really have a goal weight, or a jean size, just a look I guess. Just depends on what my muscles look like once I get the fat off Somewhere on here, I read something that gave me some hope. Something about when you are heavy, you are already packing around alot of extra weight (like strength training) so you are building muscle. Sounds good on paper So we will see what everything looks like.
                              65lbs gone and counting!!

                              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                              • I started with IF in March, 2 months after starting LC. I did IF all through the summer and into September and I biked fasted all summer. It was great! I believe it made my weight loss of 60 pounds easier and quicker. I definitely enjoyed the energy buzz I got from it during the long work days of the Alaskan summer. Once the days started getting shorter, I felt it more difficult to IF. My fingers got cold and I couldn't warm up. So I started eating all day again. My weight loss has stopped, but I wouldn't call it stalled because I'm indulging in potatoes and tequila and chocolate and cheese. I fully plan to IF again when the daylight returns. I am happy to be making it through the Holdiday season without gaining.

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