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  • #16
    Does anyone have experience with leptin refeeeds actually working?

    I know Lyle McDonald used to advocate and Aragon but I've tried it too and it didn't work..

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    • #17
      Some good ideas here, and I'll throw in my odd two cents: when I'm not sleeping enough and am stressed (they usually go together), I am hungrier more. Took me a while to realize it, but sleeping more is totally key to weight and hunger control for me.

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      • #18
        Ugh, I have this same problem. If I could devote every moment of my life to cooking and eating, I still don't think it would be enough food. Obviously, I can't do that, so I'm out and about just daydreaming about food. I'm eating fairly low carb--maybe 7 white or sweet potatoes a week, salads daily, fruit here and there--so I know it's not a blood sugar rollercoaster (I remember what it felt like to constantly need carbs, and this is different, now all I want to do is eat beef all day)... I can't afford the amount of food my body wants these days. A few years ago I would've given anything to be able to eat constantly and not gain weight, but now I find myself ravenous even right after meals. I swear I've poured like 600 cals of heavy cream on a few raspberries and I'll be hungry again in an hour and I'll never put on any weight.

        I guess it might be my body's way of saying it's not at its happy weight yet, but I've already slimmed down so much that it seems ridiculous to get any skinnier... I'm already at the limit of my budget so I can't afford to eat more. I've stopped exercising, too, definitely lost some muscle tone, but I need my metabolism to slow down... I thought maybe caffeine was the culprit but on no-caffeine days I still experience the same thing, plus the no-coffee blues...

        I'm watching the replies for useful advice... I feel like I do everything "right"--I get enough sleep, I never cheat, I haven't even looked at a grain in months, I bathe everything I eat in like half a jar of coconut oil (which I've heard stimulates the liver to burn fat more quickly, well that's just great, can't you slow down there, liver? I'm tryna get through the day here!). I stuff my face with nuts, dark chocolate, cream, meat, eggs... I cannot be satisfied. My boyfriend is having the same problems. We both can't stop losing weight (which I find hilarious given that I will literally lap bacon fat off the plate, yet 90% of America has the opposite problem, wants to lose weight, and the first thing they do is give up tasty fat for tasteless granola bars and shit)...

        I mean, maybe it's my body's way of rejecting a way of life that prevents it from eating when it wants to. My inner cavewoman rebelling against the constraints of modern society. Unfortunately the inner cavewoman can't have her way, so I'll just have to accept looking even more like I have chicken legs...or else I'll just have to start carrying a jar of coconut oil around with me, but at this point it'd be gone in 2 days and I'd probably still be hungry..
        Last edited by 2ndChance; 11-15-2012, 05:15 PM.

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        • #19
          Thank you so much to everybody for all the suggestions, It has given me some ideas to try.

          In regards to:

          Variety in plant matter and nuts – I love veges and I think I do eat a fairly wide variety of them. Although I do not eat starchy veges. I also eat a variety of nuts, namely, macadamias, almonds, walnuts, almond butter.

          Vitamin and mineral supplements – I just got my full blood work done and came out good across the board. The only supplement I take is a good quality fish oil.

          Probiotics and fermented products – I eat yogurt about twice a week, also I have sauerkraut (organic) about once a week. I’m going to start drinking kombucha too. Is there something else/better I can do for probiotics?

          Additional fat – I always put ghee on my veges, will have avo with salads, butter sauce with steak, etc. I was worried I was eating too much fat.

          Satiating foods – I do feel more satisfied with carbs, but don’t eat them because I’m not exercising at the moment. Even when I was exercising I wasn’t eating carbs and was feeling fine for ages. I’m getting the feeling that bringing in some starchy veges is what I need to be doing (regardless of fear of weight gain).

          Water – I love water and drink it like a fish. I always have a glass on my desk and drink it all day long. I don’t think it’s thirst.

          Sleep – I get an average of about 8 hours a night, and I’m not stressed either. I was thinking about upping my sleep to 9 hours and see how I go (bed 1 hour earlier).

          The first thing I’m going to try is to eat some sweet potato with meals. I have noticed when doing refeeds lately that I feel so much fuller for longer (carb content) and much more satisfied. I’ve always gone back to low-ish carb though because of my energy needs (low). I’ll also try including more fat in my breakfast, I thought I was already eating quite a lot, but it’s definitely worth a try.

          Thanks again everyone for all your advice

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          • #20
            Geez, maybe coconut oil is *too* good for me... All I keep finding on Google is stuff about its magical metabolism-boosting powers. Maybe I should cook everything in butter for awhile instead and see if I stay fuller longer.

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            • #21
              My best advice for you might actually sound crazy, but try intermittent fasting. That has really helped curbed my hunger by helping me realize when I was actually hungry, and not just craving food.

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              • #22
                I had the same issue for a little while, but the way I've found around it is eating copious amounts of fats+starches together. For example a big sweet potato with at least a tablespoon of butter keeps me going longer than either of those things separately...
                If you have a few minutes- please take a look at my story, in my journal
                http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread87400.html
                I do warn you, I am a copious writer.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JonOhJay View Post
                  My best advice for you might actually sound crazy, but try intermittent fasting. That has really helped curbed my hunger by helping me realize when I was actually hungry, and not just craving food.
                  I should have mentioned I tried this also. I tried varying lengths but my longest one was 20 hours. Should I try a longer fast?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by campanella View Post
                    I had the same issue for a little while, but the way I've found around it is eating copious amounts of fats+starches together. For example a big sweet potato with at least a tablespoon of butter keeps me going longer than either of those things separately...
                    Hmmm, I'm almost certain this would make me feel full as well. But I haven't done this (mix carbs and fats) for over a year. I have been reluctant to do it because of weight gain.

                    Did your weight change? Did you continue to feel good/steady blood sugar/good energy levels?

                    Despite my reservations, I have decided to try it. I often make baked sweet potato chips in coconut oil for my daughter and I always sneak one. I love them! I guess now I can have them also, for purely experimental and scientific research purposes...

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                    • #25
                      I don't think you'll gain weight from reintroducing starchy vegetables--I should warn you, though, I eat lots of them and I still have the always-hungry issue, so there's got to be more to it. I fast occasionally, too... But the never-quite-satisfied feeling remains.

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                      • #26
                        Pregnant?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by 2ndChance View Post
                          I don't think you'll gain weight from reintroducing starchy vegetables--I should warn you, though, I eat lots of them and I still have the always-hungry issue, so there's got to be more to it. I fast occasionally, too... But the never-quite-satisfied feeling remains.
                          I hope this is the case with me. If I can introduce some starchy vege carbs to feel full but not put on weight I would be happy. I have just always thought that weight gain would be inevitable if I introduced them. Hopefully they will do the trick.

                          How long have you been feeling this way 2ndChance? I hope you can get it sorted too. I'm interested to see how you go with this, let me know if you ever stumble across the solution. It sounds like you've tried lots of things, as I have, in an attempt to address the problem. These things can be quite hard to pinpoint sometimes.

                          Have you tried a refeed? They seem to work differently for everyone but I know quite a few people for whom a refeed worked wonders. As shocking an idea as it may seem, have you tried going back to SAD macro %'s minus gluten, soy, sugar, HFCS, crap oils, etc? Have you tried having some rice for example? You could try it even just for 3 days, sometimes that's enough to "reset", as it were. These things didn't work for me but like I said, I know some people that have had great success with it.

                          I hope you can resolve your issue soon

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Primal123 View Post
                            Pregnant?
                            I wondered if someone would ask this question No, definitely not pregnant.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Aussie Primal View Post
                              I should have mentioned I tried this also. I tried varying lengths but my longest one was 20 hours. Should I try a longer fast?
                              It couldn't hurt to try. Key word here is TRY though. Don't push it if it makes you uncomfortable or if you just get so hungry you can't concentrate on anything else.

                              Try it out, see how you feel, and go from there. One advantage to fasting is that it forces utilization of body fats, at least to some degree, increasing fat adaptation which may help to lower your hunger levels in the long run.

                              Don't quote me on this though. Everyone is different, and you mileage might vary a little. My personal n=1 was that as I played around with longer and longer fasts, my hunger got into check, I started eating less (though still within a healthy range), leaning out, and found it easier to shift quickly between sugar and fat burning. I now can get back into fat burning just about 24 hours after a carb refeed, where before I started experimenting with longer fasts, it took me 48 or more hours to get back to fat burning.
                              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by 2ndChance View Post
                                I don't think you'll gain weight from reintroducing starchy vegetables--I should warn you, though, I eat lots of them and I still have the always-hungry issue, so there's got to be more to it. I fast occasionally, too... But the never-quite-satisfied feeling remains.
                                I'm with you on that.
                                I experience the same thing, it could be due to my hormonal imbalances (messed up circadian rhythm messes with hunger, and so does elevated estradiol levels in men) but, well, if I remember correctly you recovered from a short bout of anorexia nervosa. It's the same thing for me. Experienced body degradation from severe hypogonadism and then fell in the trap of disordered eating for 2 months.

                                It could have something to do with this state of starvation and maybe we'll have to wait for our body to adjust.
                                Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                                (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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