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  • #91
    Originally posted by otzi View Post
    Free The Animal

    This guy is jumping on the potato bandwagon, more in a PKLOPP style, though. Will be interesting to watch.

    "The big hack here, of course, is the potato diet. It's been all over. I've even seen Peter blog about Chris Voight's experiment with potatoes and weight loss. There's apparently a big forum thread at MDA about it, and also comment threads on Ray Cronise's blog.

    I don't want to steal any of Ray's thunder and I know he's looking into and experimenting with this in a very thorough way. So, here's just what I get as a gist of the whole deal, not having yet read anything but Peter's post.

    Quality amino acid profile
    Low in overall protein (5% or so total calories)
    Low in fat
    High in satiation, while low in "reward" as a function of the overall calories
    In essence, it seems as though if you eat only potatoes you will have a very difficult time eating enough to maintain body weight—so long as they aren't dressed up with a lot of stuff like butter, sour cream, bacon...or deep fried. Apparently, people have been reporting weight loss of 1/2-1 pound per day on these diets without hunger. There might be a gut flora element to the deal as well.

    OK, but how about if you could make them a bit more palatable with only a smal addition of other calories, but still achieve a similar result? This is what I aim to find out. Just a few hours ago I made a pot of potato soup, an off the cuff recipe creation."
    From my limited experience on the diet before I realized I'm probably suffering from a low level night shade allergy, you need to ingest a massive amount of potatoes for the satiety effect. Luckily, potatoes are not particularly nutrient dense, so it is quite easy to ingest a large quantity of food with minimal caloric load. This large bolus of food persists in your digestive tract, literally filling you up. If you water down ( pun intended ), that is, dilute your bolus with fluids, you will quickly come to realize just how much food you're not eating.

    -PK
    My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

    Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by pklopp View Post
      From my limited experience on the diet before I realized I'm probably suffering from a low level night shade allergy, you need to ingest a massive amount of potatoes for the satiety effect. Luckily, potatoes are not particularly nutrient dense, so it is quite easy to ingest a large quantity of food with minimal caloric load. This large bolus of food persists in your digestive tract, literally filling you up. If you water down ( pun intended ), that is, dilute your bolus with fluids, you will quickly come to realize just how much food you're not eating.

      -PK
      I guess everone is different. When I first tried eating just potatoes for the purported fat-loss effect, I was very hesitant and added lots of spices and sauces and cheated with a few pieces of liver and cheese. I didn't stick it out very long, but did lose a few pounds in about 5 days. The next time, my head was in it better and I stuck to as plain of potato as possible. I used only salt, pepper and vinegar and found I was extremely satiated on just 2-3lbs per day. Some days I'd eat a large (8oz) potato for lunch. Then 2 large potatoes for supper and nothing else the entire day and wasn't hungry in the least. Towards the end, I was almost making myself eat an extra potato at dinner just to get some calories.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by pklopp View Post
        Understanding something does not constitute over thinking it. Why should one care for the mechanism that underlies this miraculous potato? Because this dietary intervention is not universally applicable, and the very next question that ought to be on your lips is, why? To which the devotees of "not over-thinking it" can only shrug and offer a very unsatisfying "Dunno ... sucks to be a non-responder ... have you given blood letting a go?"

        -PK
        Yeah, I mean this particular thread was made as a safe haven for "over thinkers"

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        • #94
          Originally posted by gopintos View Post
          Just dont say you tried the tator thing and it didn't work for you, cuz that is not really what you tried. You tried a variation.
          This is not meant to be directed at you, you are merely the medium for this message:

          You are correct. I am not a fan of kwashiorkor:

          Originally posted by The been there, done that, now I'm over it department.
          kwashiorkor, also called protein malnutrition, condition caused by severe protein deficiency. Kwashiorkor is most often encountered in developing countries in which the diet is high in starch and low in proteins. It is common in young children weaned to a diet consisting chiefly of cereal grains, cassava, plantain, and sweet potato or similar starchy foods. The condition in children was first described in 1932. The term kwashiorkor means “deposed child” (“deposed” from the mother’s breast by a newborn sibling) in one African dialect and “red boy” in another dialect. The latter term comes from the reddish orange discoloration of the hair that is characteristic of the disease.
          Protein malnutrition is well studied and understood ( by some ). The argument that a little kwashiorkor goes a long way towards "busting through a weightloss plateau" is ludicrous.

          Here's a very effective hack : purging bulimia. Eat as much as you want and you still lose weight ... of course, you also run the risk of developing massive electrolytes imbalances, digestive issues, severe dental problems, heart arrhythmias including the possibility of heart failure ... but only if you do it for more than a couple of weeks, and the pounds fly off!

          -PK
          My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

          Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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          • #95
            That's very dramatic, but I don't think an appeal to childhood malnutrition is a fitting comparison.

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            • #96
              aah. Maybe that is the reason for my big belly (biggish now, not nearly as big as before) But anyways, that might explain it. I love wiki to see what ails me and here all this time, I thought I had this one

              Good news I guess, it looks like they are both curable and death preventable.
              65lbs gone and counting!!

              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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              • #97
                People say that not eating grains is very limiting. Eating ONLY potatoes for a week or more... that really IS very limiting. I like variety. Which is why I won't be eating just potatoes. Someone else wants to do this...I am fine with it. But, like most fad diets I suspect when you look at this over time and see what happens, I suspect the weight comes back on after not eating only potatoes.

                Besides, my girls are laying and I want to eat those tasty duck eggs while I still have them!

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                  That's very dramatic, but I don't think an appeal to childhood malnutrition is a fitting comparison.
                  Kwashiorkor is indeed dramatic and prevalent in children due to the fact that they are irrevocably dependent upon their parents for their nutritional well being, and if you're only being fed starches as a child ... well, that's what you eat. You simply have no recourse.

                  Please explain to me the substantive difference between that and an adult willingly subjecting themselves to incipient kwashiorkor via adopting the precise diet which leads to the condition.

                  If you wish, I can go back and excise the parts of my earlier post that reference children, leaving only the salient bits relating to how the condition is brought about by eating starches. I'd rather not do that, but if it would reduce the drama factor so we can address the biology behind it, then I would seriously consider it.

                  -PK
                  My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                  Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by pklopp View Post
                    Kwashiorkor is indeed dramatic and prevalent in children due to the fact that they are irrevocably dependent upon their parents for their nutritional well being, and if you're only being fed starches as a child ... well, that's what you eat. You simply have no recourse.

                    Please explain to me the substantive difference between that and an adult willingly subjecting themselves to incipient kwashiorkor via adopting the precise diet which leads to the condition.

                    If you wish, I can go back and excise the parts of my earlier post that reference children, leaving only the salient bits relating to how the condition is brought about by eating starches. I'd rather not do that, but if it would reduce the drama factor so we can address the biology behind it, then I would seriously consider it.

                    -PK
                    There's another condition: Starvation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    It comes from consuming too few calories. People die from it all over the world. I also see people on Mark's Daily Apple willingly restricting their calories, or fasting--the complete absence of calories! Why would people do such a thing that could lead to death?

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                    • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                      There's another condition: Starvation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                      It comes from consuming too few calories. People die from it all over the world. I also see people on Mark's Daily Apple willingly restricting their calories, or fasting--the complete absence of calories! Why would people do such a thing that could lead to death?
                      You can lob that grenade in my lap when you hear me advocate fasting for two weeks or more without providing any conceptual framework as to why you might want to do that apart from breathlessly proclaiming ... "it just works!!!!!"

                      Until that time, save your ammunition.

                      -PK
                      My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                      Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                      • Ok, the thing is... we are talking up to 14 days. Not your entire childhood. And we are not talking 14 days on, one day off and then 14 more days either. Just keep it in your bag of tricks when you feel like you need it.

                        I think the childhood obesity is far more prevalent in this country and that is just as dramatic and sad also, as they are in the same boat of depending on their parents, just a different end of the spectrum.

                        I use to watch the commercials of these little pot belly kids when I was a kid, and thinking why do they need food, their belly is bigger than mine? I wonder why we dont have little pot belly American kid PBS commercials saying dont feed me so much crap because I am too fat. And maybe we do, I dont watch much TV.

                        So for me, I really think I have the obesity disease and not the kwhatever so that is the one that I am going to try to treat. And I really do not think that by treating that one, I will morf into the other one, but I might be able to prevent a few of the other obesity diseases that my parents died from, well mom was thin and died from cancer so that probably doesnt count, and I might be able to get DH off his meds and maybe we both can get rid of our cpaps.

                        For me, once I get the weight off, hopefully I won't ever have to use it again but it is nice to know that it is there if I need it or just cant get the last little bit off. But I would much rather do that for a few days to a few weeks, than to mess around with moar fat only to have slow loss like I had since March down to No weight loss for the most part, like I had all summer since going even higher fat.

                        I know it is a marathon and not a sprint to the finish line. I know there will never really be a finish line, but I do want this race to move along a little faster than 5 more years of piddling around eating moar fat when now I know all I have to do is eat moar tators once in awhile & eat less fat. Not no fat but less fat, at least until I reach maintenance. Then maybe I can add the fat back in.

                        Now if it is not Fat loss, that would be one thing. If I lost and then gained it right back, like I do when I fast usually I might sing a different song. But now that I know to cut the fat, I might have better fasting results also. Anyways, that's another thread
                        65lbs gone and counting!!

                        Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                        • My problem with the potato diet is that its whole philosophy is about hacking your way to rapidly extreme fat loss while neglecting a balanced diet. It seems like Paleo Dr. Oz type science which really does not reflect how Grok lived. Grok hunted for meat and he ate wild fruits and nuts and veggies that he could scavenged.

                          This whole weightloss plateau/slowing metabolism phobia is affecting too much of this forum . People are obsessed over the how they are not losing enough fat fast enough and immediately start panicking.

                          This chronic micromanaging of diet nutrition hacks like the potato diet where you eat nothing but potatoes is not really based on the primal diet of returning to how Grok lived and promoting a healthy nutritious lifestyle. Potatoes alone cannot supply you the antioxidants, nutrients, proteins, fats that your body does need.

                          The whole premiss ignores why low fat diets are unhealthy because we need fat more fats that carbs. We need carbs too. But there should be a large emphasis on nutritious diets that follow Grok mentality then just what leads me to a lower pants size quickest.

                          Nothing against the science of the potato diet, i am sure it works. i am sure it is safe. But i don't consider it living primal.

                          You could lose weight quickly a lot of ways both safely and unsafely but fast weight loss is overrated goal. Weight loss plateaus has become a phobia that i don't think it is healthy but that is IMO
                          Last edited by drnemer; 11-13-2012, 01:43 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by pklopp View Post
                            You can lob that grenade in my lap when you hear me advocate fasting for two weeks or more without providing any conceptual framework as to why you might want to do that apart from breathlessly proclaiming ... "it just works!!!!!"

                            Until that time, save your ammunition.

                            -PK
                            Just messin' with ya. But to answer your question, people are willing to do this because they find that despite years of adhering to the Primal Blueprint, they still have some fat to lose. Others may just want to lose a few pounds put on over the holidays, while others may want to shed a few pounds for an event like a family reunion or wedding.

                            As long as the people are going into this with eyes wide open, realizing this isn't a diet for life, and just using it as a quick way to drop a couple pounds of fat, I think it's cool.

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                            • Originally posted by drnemer View Post
                              Grok hunted for meat and he ate wild fruits and nuts and veggies that he could scavenged.
                              I get what you are saying, but what did Grok do when the deer ran away and maybe moved on to the watering hole, and it took Grok a couple of days to find the herd, and all he was left with was a big ole pile of tators? Did he just fast for a few days until he could balance his starchy carbs with some protein and fat?

                              Totally agree it is about balance. And I think we all know that and I would say the majority of the rest of the time, we all practice that. And it is about the long haul. We know that also. I just dont know why you can't help push it along once in awhile just like you do when you fast? I realize fasting does other things, I am just saying that is another drastic thing that ppl do and they too can take it too far for too long.

                              I also get that there are specific nutrients in play here doing specific things, the sciency stuff. But if you are otherwise healthy and just eat mono for a few days, I just dont see the harm. But that's just me.

                              I think the other key thing, is just ppl have learned it is okay to eat tators again. Some ppl already knew that, but some of us thought low carb high fat was suppose to do the trick. Just do it. Dont question why it isnt working. Just stick with the program. Only problem, it wasn't working for all of us.
                              65lbs gone and counting!!

                              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                              • I think you can survive for months on only potatoes IF you are obese enough. No problem, people have been water fasting for up to a year before - and a "potatofast" cannot be worse than that! It may be a tool for some obese people to try, just remember that it will be less and less optimal when getting leaner due to risk of starvation i.e. that your body start to cannibalize protein from muscle and internal organs…
                                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                                - Schopenhauer

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