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  • Good stuff, sb.
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
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    • Originally posted by DeeDub View Post
      Bread is delicious. So is pasta. So are many other verboten items.

      I make the sacrifice because I feel it is the best path for me -- but there is no question, it is a sacrifice, there are all kinds of foods I *love* that I no longer allow myself to eat, and it is anything but easy. Especially after doing it for more than a year or two.

      And of course the ultimate irony is that not allowing oneself to eat available food is anything but natural (or primal or paleo or etc).
      Excellent bread is delicious but most is dreck I see out there, & pasta I find pretty dead & heavy leaden on my tum tum. The less I eat grains (3-4 times the past year, trying to be open-minded), the less I like 'em when I do sample some grains, even buckwheat my old fav.

      I recall native peoples from the South American rainforests, when introduced to western tinned & packaged food, breads, sweets & all kinds of modern yum - they didn't even think it was food stuffs. Didn't smell like food I guess, as I know it sure wasn't looking like anything fresh or food-like they know from experience. I assume it would give them the runs or maybe they're too smart & wouldn't even eat it. I'll take my fatty salmon pieces, chicken livers & fermented foods galore & screw missing pasta & bread. I crave basically just fats, proteins, & green veggies & salads if I don't eat enough of them for a few days in a row. I have been enjoying some big ol' multi-berry yogurt smoothies lately for quick breakfasts.

      Paleo/primal is part of me now. I may venture here & there a bit dietarily as I travel a lot & cannot or am unwilling to go to extremes sometimes to get a hunk or meat or a fatty fish (though I've been daily feasting on cheap off-cuts of fatty salmon for weeks since landing bac khome). Often I fast in response when I travel, too much fasting I know but I don't get hungry like I used to & burn fat so readily now. I've become quite lean & ripped but have lost a lot of the bulky muscle it took me months to put on (hard gainer), but I'm now a muscular, cut, skinny waisted dude again like I was in my extreme yoga days in my early & mid 30s. Can see my six pack belly again (surprised myself last week looking in a mirror), but without any extreme exercise or much exercise at all lately (don't hate on me- it was always there under my thin layer of persistent belly fat). I've just not eaten a lot of calories the past couple of months & I'm always walking a lot (now mtn biking too), doing some pushups & pulls up, some yoga when it strikes me to get a sweaty exertion on.

      I fly out for Hawaii in 1.5 days as winter sucks here on the main land. Be swimming in the ocean soon & riding another mtn bike up & down the verdant hills of Kailua-Kona. Then onwards to Kauai end of Dec for another stay w/ a friend.

      Life is good, things atrophy or renew & people break down & perish, or they evolve, improve, persevere, strengthen. And here we all are, witnessing it all & doing it, this thing we call life. Fad mono diets indeed! What a trifle it would be to eat the same food(s) for a week or two, though I'll be eating loads & loads of cheap ahi & other local poke' daily there.
      Last edited by Betorq; 11-11-2012, 10:23 PM.
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      • Kudos SB. I agree & am happy for and with you. I'm so busy living & enjoying this life, this body, I don't see why I would go back to grains or sweets, or off this superior way of freedom, ease of mind & body & natural happiness.

        Is my life perfect or all my dreams come true? Far far from it - I have loads of real problems.

        But I have a wide perspective now & a happy, gentle pause & pulse in my life energy - emotionally, hormonally/metabolically, mentally it feels nice to be alive & mobile. And I know goodness when I feel it in my life & this is a very good feeling I've regained in my life, feels like youthful vigor but w/ aged maturity - very cool. Now to find or be found by a lovely lady to sync & share it with... Been getting attention from the fairer sex lately since landing back in my Norcal. Some overt attention, some covert on the sly flirt, nod & wink, so that feels nice to know the pheremones-mojo is still working too, ha. Thanks PB
        "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
        "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
        "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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        • We must remember that dieters will sooner or later stall on all kind of diets - so changing up things is nessecary from time to time - even on the most solid ways of eating. A short time fad diet, if well designed, can give a new imput to reach your goals when things stalls...
          I actually disagree (for the most part). Do we stall, yes. But usually the issue is bad foods slipping back in or our body just taking pause, for most people. I bitched and moaned all summer as my weight loss stalled... and chocolate and ice cream consumption increased. Cleaned that up, weight loss. The last few weeks have been a scale stall, but I'm getting smaller.

          Treat your body right, consistently and it will heal itself, including shedding fat to the point that it is in a healthy state. Now, vanity weight- chasing an abnormally low body % probably does not work that way and it seems like just about anyone here who is unhappy with PB and following it carefully is trying to shed fat that the body thinks it needs to be healthy. They aren't fat or overweight people.

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          • Originally posted by DeeDub View Post
            not allowing oneself to eat available FOOD [emphasis mine] is anything but natural (or primal or paleo or etc).
            I have been trying to re-train myself, and see, that just because I would put items into my mouth, they tasted good, and they digested in some fashion, does NOT mean they are FOOD for me.

            This is not easy. In spite of the fact that I feel so much better when I avoid them, 40 years of custom and conditioning are a formidable foe.

            One of the things I do, walking through the bakery area at my grocery (to get to the cheese!) is imagine little floating poison symbols on all the items. As if I were walking through a deliciously-scented pesticide zone.

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            • Originally posted by DeeDub View Post
              And of course the ultimate irony is that not allowing oneself to eat available food is anything but natural (or primal or paleo or etc).
              You should watch the documentary Hungry for Food. In it they talk about how society is eating "food like products". Food is made to look and taste good but does not have much value at all. I guess that's where the paleo or primal is (although not outright) saying that really isn't food. Twinkie may taste good, but it's the farthest thing from food.

              I also had a thought this morning (done for the week now). The arguement about diet and it's meaning. We as humans have become so lazy that things get changed thru it. Diet is what we eat. However, people will say "I can't eat that, I'm on a diet", to lazy to utter the final words, "I can't eat that, I'm on a diet, to lose weight". Big differance. It's funny, someone said "how lazy have we become when we take a two letter word and abbreviate it, ie "at" "@" LOL

              Have a great day!
              55 yr old male


              07/01/2013

              Weight; 199
              Chest; 41.5
              Waist; 42
              Hips; 40
              Thigh; 22.5
              Calf; 15
              Bicep: 13
              Forearm; 11.5
              Neck; 17

              07/20/2013

              Weight; 200
              Chest; 42
              Waist; 42.5
              Hips; 39
              Thigh; 23
              Calf; 15
              Bicep: 13
              Forearm; 11.5
              Neck; 16

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              • Originally posted by ez2cy View Post
                "I can't eat that, I'm on a diet", to lazy to utter the final words, "I can't eat that, I'm on a diet, to lose weight". Big differance.
                Yes I have to catch myself, maybe I said this already or just thought about it, anyways, I start to say I don't want to eat it "this" cuz it is not in my diet, but then I know they will think I mean "on a diet" which I am not On a diet nor feel like I am, and I don't want them to think oh how sad, she is depriving herself or get into the "all things in moderation" argument yada yada. So I just try to choose my words.
                65lbs gone and counting!!

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                • Originally posted by Betorq View Post
                  But I have a wide perspective now & a happy, gentle pause & pulse in my life energy - emotionally, hormonally/metabolically, mentally it feels nice to be alive & mobile. And I know goodness when I feel it in my life & this is a very good feeling I've regained in my life, feels like youthful vigor but w/ aged maturity - very cool.
                  Yeah, it feels really satisfying to chase health rather than weight. Of course, I want to be thin and attractive, but it's different when it comes along with truly optimal health, even if I don't get quite as skinny as my brain thinks it ought to be to measure up.

                  Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                  Now, vanity weight- chasing an abnormally low body % probably does not work that way and it seems like just about anyone here who is unhappy with PB and following it carefully is trying to shed fat that the body thinks it needs to be healthy. They aren't fat or overweight people.
                  Yeah, the hardest thing is to come to terms with what you have been given. I don't stand with "feet together, thighs apart" and never will. So why chase an ideal like that? I am what I am, a rounded endo/mesomorph. So why not just be the best endo/mesomorph I can be? People are way more attractive when they have flaws but radiate confidence, health and happiness anyway.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • A lot of people here need to really rethink the idea that:

                    Of course, I want to be thin and attractive
                    is a truth. Attractiveness has more to it than no excess fat on your thighs. If you lose so much fat, that your face looks gaunt or your breasts go away..... or you lose shape to your ass. Thin women often do not age well. You have to realize that the beauties of our media are 20 and don't look as good when they hit 40. I point to Nigella Lawson. She has aged beautifully and is not thin. No man or woman looks at her and says "oooo, thighs touch". And really, when we look at a super model, we don't say "holy shit- look at the space between her thighs".

                    Beauty is a mix of things..... and often the shit you do to have size 0 thighs chips away at other things that make you beautiful. If say, my choice was to have thin hair and a thin body by eating VLC or have a normal body and stunning hair by eating moderate carbs..... well, hand me the bananas!!!!

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                    • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                      A lot of people here need to really rethink the idea that:



                      is a truth. Attractiveness has more to it than no excess fat on your thighs. If you lose so much fat, that your face looks gaunt or your breasts go away..... or you lose shape to your ass. Thin women often do not age well. You have to realize that the beauties of our media are 20 and don't look as good when they hit 40. I point to Nigella Lawson. She has aged beautifully and is not thin. No man or woman looks at her and says "oooo, thighs touch". And really, when we look at a super model, we don't say "holy shit- look at the space between her thighs".

                      Beauty is a mix of things..... and often the shit you do to have size 0 thighs chips away at other things that make you beautiful. If say, my choice was to have thin hair and a thin body by eating VLC or have a normal body and stunning hair by eating moderate carbs..... well, hand me the bananas!!!!
                      Well said!
                      Breathe. Move forward.

                      I just eat what I want...

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                      • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                        A lot of people here need to really rethink the idea that:

                        is a truth. Attractiveness has more to it than no excess fat on your thighs. If you lose so much fat, that your face looks gaunt or your breasts go away..... or you lose shape to your ass. Thin women often do not age well. You have to realize that the beauties of our media are 20 and don't look as good when they hit 40. I point to Nigella Lawson. She has aged beautifully and is not thin. No man or woman looks at her and says "oooo, thighs touch". And really, when we look at a super model, we don't say "holy shit- look at the space between her thighs".

                        Beauty is a mix of things..... and often the shit you do to have size 0 thighs chips away at other things that make you beautiful. If say, my choice was to have thin hair and a thin body by eating VLC or have a normal body and stunning hair by eating moderate carbs..... well, hand me the bananas!!!!
                        True, though alternating between VLC during the week & having healthy but controlled carby indulgences on the weekends works for me to satisfy many of my needs, both socially as well as metabolically. Though it's easy to do that, once I'm lean & in full fat burning mode. Loads of fat, coconut being my go-to oil for many years, eaten & applied externally, keeps me thin & happy too. I just bought a large 2.5 lb tub @ Costco yesterday, its nice to have a surplus to pour on freely & make smoothies.
                        "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
                        "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
                        "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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                          • Originally posted by Betorq View Post
                            True, though alternating between VLC during the week & having healthy but controlled carby indulgences on the weekends works for me to satisfy many of my needs, both socially as well as metabolically.
                            Glad you posted.

                            I dont know but it was nice to see the different things that ppl do to shake things up. I was in a mode - an all or nothing mode - which I tend to do. I am the last flea off a dead dog, making sure I give it enough time. Now I am able to see what others are talking about rather than just following one camp.

                            And even though ppl say you have to figure out what works for you, I would be stuck trying to do what was working for them. So these "fads" have helped me to see that I seem to have better weight loss results when I mix things up. Try something new. So now after a little of this and a little of that, things are moving along again.

                            Once I hit maintenance I may settle into a more uniform routine but for now I have discovered that the alternating has helped me to jumpstart things again. It has taught me to pay attention to my own results and not be afraid to take a new path.
                            65lbs gone and counting!!

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                            • This is me:


                              I think it's safe to say that I have a few unnecessary pounds. I'm a very long way from sunken cheeks, no boobs or thighs that don't touch, not that I'm trying to get there at all. A normal body would be fine, but it doesn't seem possible for me at this stage in my life. So I'm going for stronger and hoping that will do. And since stronger seems like a better choice than perpetually hungry, I have to eat enough protein and other healthy things to get there, so I have no choice really but to just eat a normal healthy paleo/primal diet at this time.
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                              • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                                This is me:


                                I think it's safe to say that I have a few unnecessary pounds. I'm a very long way from sunken cheeks, no boobs or thighs that don't touch, not that I'm trying to get there at all. A normal body would be fine, but it doesn't seem possible for me at this stage in my life. So I'm going for stronger and hoping that will do. And since stronger seems like a better choice than perpetually hungry, I have to eat enough protein and other healthy things to get there, so I have no choice really but to just eat a normal healthy paleo/primal diet at this time.
                                You look great!! Your profile pic is great also! I am tweaking to get the weight off, but I can see myself focusing on the Strength aspect. I love being able to do things for myself and I feel so much better with muscle than just being skinny. I have never just been skinny though, always athletic and though I may not get to that place again, I do prefer "some meat on my bones"

                                I think that is why I don't have a goal weight. 150lbs can look very different if one is more muscular. And I know I dont have to tell anyone here that, but if I told someone IRL my goal was 150lbs they would look at me like, why do you want to be so fat? but yet, if I told them I want to lose X more lbs, they would be like, why do you want to lose so much more weight, you would be too skinny?... and they would not realize that the two equal the same thing.
                                Last edited by gopintos; 11-16-2012, 11:11 AM.
                                65lbs gone and counting!!

                                Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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