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  • #61
    Originally posted by JohnnyNull View Post
    Spirituality is nonsense.
    Disagree....but, your welcome to your own views.

    BTW I agree with the OP. You can spin what she says however you like, but a fad is a fad. Now if you wish to say something like the potato diet is part of a whole, as in our ancestors when hungry and had to live on tubers for a period....FINE! At least you have a framework of starting and ending your self prescribed monofood diet. Seems reasonable. It would be much more worrysome for me to think that people eating twinkies and bearclaws all day switch to a potato only diet for 2 weeks then back to the bearclaws....THAT IS THE FAD.
    Last edited by Neckhammer; 11-09-2012, 07:56 PM.

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    • #62
      I actually think that Mark's post about how friendships and community will save you in the zombie apocalypse was one of his masterpieces. That's been my thinking for a long long time. I was only assuming a cranky affect by calling it "crap". And actually I think the potato diet is sort of genius, and maybe it's just me, but I fear it maybe invited other crazy fads to spring up, as if it's okay to now start posting crazy stupid weight loss miracles. Anyway, whatever. I have a belly full of raw fish and I'm happy now so carry on...
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post

        And so I embarked upon my quest to eat nothing but potatoes for three straight years... and supplement with iodine!
        Literally LOLing
        Started eating Primal in October 2011.
        Started lifting heavy things on October 26, 2012.
        Started sugar detox: November 12, 2012
        [may or may not have been purposely before Thanksgiving]

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        • #64
          Well if sharing stories... Around 10 years ago (I'm 46 now, so when about 35 or so) I started developing a bit of a belly. Nothing much but it was there, and annoying.

          OK, embarrassing.

          I did a vague kind of Atkins things, very low carb, plus a combination of jikishin ju jitsu and weightlifting. The results were great, quite 'ripped', very strong, looked good.

          Even got into bodybuilding scene for awhile, though generally leaned towards the idea of functional fitness and a body that was sexy, rather than massive or muscular.

          So the irony is I'm the guy that many friends would turn to for advice on weight loss and muscle-building - except that bit by bit as I age my muscles have shrunk, my belly has bloated and you couldn't put my pic and the word 'bodybuilder' anywhere near each other today.

          Didn't take long either, from pretty fit to pretty damn flabby in about 5 or 6 years.

          See, thing is I still DO tend to eat low carb, high protein, not too much fat but not scared of it and working out now and then.

          I bought the PB, the 21 day book and both PB cookbooks. From all that I've basically learned - stop eating legumes (I had baked beans almost every day) quit ALL grains (I'd often fill an empty tummy with some oatmeal) and... well that's about it, other than a new-found determination to cut out all processed food.

          Heck, I was eating pretty clean anyway. My typical diet would be a chicken stir-fry with broccoli, onion, bit of cabbage or some other veggie (and the oatmeal).

          So why so fat?

          Well I know why, mostly - because I spend way too much time sat on my butt on this computer! Also far too often get dragged along to some family gathering, where it's rice with rice and a side dish of ricy-flavored rice over fried rice...

          (Yeah I live in Asia)

          I'm getting back into jungle-trekking, hiking and off-road scrambling, plus working out with weights again - when I can, as I have a persistent shoulder injury and some weird tennis elbow issue.

          So yeah, I know the PB, not just the diet side of it, is good. It's a great mind-set and way to live your life and all that.

          But in the meantime I have a belly that needs banishing, so if you don't mind I'm gonna munch on spuds for awhile....



          AC

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          • #65
            I think a lot of diets are converging on the basic principles of eat clean and get rid of the processed crap. For a long time, you had extreme diets that were advocating all sorts of strange things. Lately, however, the basic principles of eating clean and avoiding processed crap, sugar, grains, etc is getting more popular. There's still a lot of different names out there, but if anything this type of lifestyle is getting more popular rather than less popular.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
              Seriously, just do the program. Do the WHOLE program. Include the fitness portion, the play, the sleep, the cultivating friendships and other spiritually uplifting crap. If you really truly are having trouble, cut the wine, cheese, nuts, smoothies and chocolate and make sure you really are eating MEAT, VEGETABLES and not avoiding FAT. And eat your freakin' liver and oysters for crying out loud.
              Oh GD. Are you referring to me on the liver stuff we argued about? Do you really think grok was killing a deer to eat liver several times per week? The whole point about balancing nutrient intake is to mimic what our hunter/gatherers were eating....seasonally. If it's based on lab research by someone like Dr Richard Johnson that foods which jack up uric acid production are what trigger fat accumulation then it is what it is. I don't see any of his research being contradictory to paleo/primal at all. In fact it makes sense from a paleo POV...if in fact seasonal foods are what pushed a metabolic response to grok putting on fat for the lean winter months. They were concerned about survival. We don't have that same seasonal caloric deficit concern that they did. Our problem is having access to these foods (like fructose) all year round that keep people in a metabolic state of wanting to put on fat (couch potatoes) year round.

              I see people in MDA recommending others eat maple syrup over sugar as a sweetener...as if there is a difference over the other. There isn't. You have to go where the science takes you. And if the science indicates foods that jack up uric acid inside the cells causes the mitochondria to produce less ATP and sets a person up for "metabolic syndrome" it is what it is. It's not a fad diet but further refines and explains why something like HFCS causes people to over eat and become obese.
              Last edited by Scott F; 11-09-2012, 09:22 PM.
              Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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              • #67
                I remember there was a poster (still here so won't make names) who kept asking why pb wasn't working ect.. When I browse they're posts I see posts like "I don't REALLY believe in low carb" "I think it's ok to eat ice cream once a day" "hey, if u want it but its not primal, just eat it! Live life" ect...

                Put it all together and they weren't even doin primal. This leads them to look for more diets that "work"

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                • #68
                  paleo is only a fad diet in terms of FAD instead of SAD: Freakin' Awesome Diet instead of Sad American Diet.

                  anyway, people who come to this are curious. i read all kinds of stuff. I still just do primal (now with IF protocol)!

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                  • #69
                    "denshand" is a spambot.

                    That bot is simply pasting what other people have posted, in this case copying what Kvalhion posted on page 1.



                    AC

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                    • #70
                      I'm not being snotty here, but for those that think very overweight people can easily accept a one to two pound per month loss, I invite you to become a 200 pound woman in our culture for awhile. Once you get in the mindset to get healthy, it can be frustrating to see such small results. My own weight loss slowed to a crawl in the 140s. I can accept that because for the most part that's a fairly acceptable weight, but if I'd only lost one or two pounds per month in the 180s or 170s, I probably would have questioned PB, or at the very least tweaked it. Or tried a hack. As it is, I pretty much combine PB with a reduced calorie approach.
                      "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                      B*tch-lite

                      Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                      • #71
                        Y'know, I could swear Paleo and Primal were meant to be a lifestyle, not just a diet. Why screw with a system that already works?

                        I love it, myself, and while I will screw around with a few things (gone a week only eating fruit, only eating nuts, tried VLC) it's mainly just for fun and to spice things up. At the core, I always live Primal.
                        I dunno. I don't post on the threads here very often (kind of a lurker) but I too have been a little confused/concerned at the new fad things popping up. We're not trying to encourage disordered eating or yo-yo dieting of another form are we? Personally, I live Primally for my health and because I know it works for me.

                        ...and it feels pretty badass saying "eat like a caveman". ;D
                        Dark chocolate and coffee, running through my veins...

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                        • #72
                          I'm not being snotty here, but for those that think very overweight people can easily accept a one to two pound per month loss, I invite you to become a 200 pound woman in our culture for awhile. Once you get in the mindset to get healthy, it can be frustrating to see such small results. My own weight loss slowed to a crawl in the 140s. I can accept that because for the most part that's a fairly acceptable weight, but if I'd only lost one or two pounds per month in the 180s or 170s, I probably would have questioned PB, or at the very least tweaked it. Or tried a hack. As it is, I pretty much combine PB with a reduced calorie approach.
                          I'm fine with that level of loss. I feel better and at 178, look better. I'd rather be 150 in a year than be 150 in January but only able to eat say, VLC or not eating fruit or never having wine.

                          And it's a number- In mid October I was 177 and my size 12's were kind of snug. Today I am 179 and my 12's are getting loose. Cross Fit!

                          For me, sustainability is key.... and if you say "I used to do Primal, but it sucked because it was nothing but meat and veggies".... well, it wasn't Primal you were doing. You were doing something else.

                          Primal as written leads to healthy weight loss for most people and it is good. I always hate reading posts from newbies who are struggling that include that they don't eat fruit or have been in ketosis... I feel like they haven't been able to experience the benefits.

                          Anyhow, eat well- eat that whole list, move, sleep, enjoy life. If you aren't losing, eat a little less of the list, double check your 20%, change up your workout.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                            I'm not being snotty here, but for those that think very overweight people can easily accept a one to two pound per month loss, I invite you to become a 200 pound woman in our culture for awhile. Once you get in the mindset to get healthy, it can be frustrating to see such small results. My own weight loss slowed to a crawl in the 140s. I can accept that because for the most part that's a fairly acceptable weight, but if I'd only lost one or two pounds per month in the 180s or 170s, I probably would have questioned PB, or at the very least tweaked it. Or tried a hack. As it is, I pretty much combine PB with a reduced calorie approach.
                            'xactly

                            I understand why people say just stick to the program. It does work. And it works for me also. I would just like to be there & reach my goals sooner than in 5 years. I think I can do better at the moment, better than 1 or 2lbs per month, like I have been patiently doing all these months since March.

                            As I get closer, I know weight loss will slow and as my body composition changes, I don't really know where I will end up on the scale. I am not looking for a number on the scale. But I am looking for a ballpark number, and I am waaaay out of the ballpark at the moment.

                            I know ppl say give it time, just do the program. That says a one size fits all and I just dont think it works that way. I have spent since March following primal carb curve guidelines, until finally carbs were very low, fat was very high. And it got to a point of weight loss crawling, to stopping, to actually gaining, and then fasting for 2 days to take it back off just so I could repeat. I lost and gained the same 2-4 pounds for months.

                            I do agree eat primally, and do so for a lifestyle, but I think there are little things we can do along the way to tweak our goals. If you want weight loss, eat this. If you want to build muscle, eat this. If you want to heal your gut, eat this. If you want your body to do a little housecleaning, eat this. That doesnt mean you eat that way forever but now and then, you might have to adjust in order to reach your goal.

                            I dont know why ppl get in a wad over threads popping up for the purpose of helping you to reach a specific goal. If it is not your goal, if it's not your bag baby, dont worry about it. Mark is always posting blogs for the purpose of tweaking for a specific goal and I dont see anyone getting in a wad over that.

                            To put on muscle, eat more protein How to Gain Weight and Build Muscle | Mark's Daily Apple
                            Fasting had a 6 part series, each with specific benefits, one was for weight loss https://www.marksdailyapple.com/fasting-weight-loss/

                            Oh and heaven forbid a blog that talks about eating alot of something just because it is in season Fall Foods: Why Seasonal Eating Primes the Body for Fat Burning | Mark's Daily Apple I am curious what the reviews for the new book, 4SEASONSFORLIFEŽ Revolutionary Lifestyle, will bring since ppl really seem to get in a wad over it on the forum.

                            And then there is carb refeeding for weight loss. (Oh good gawd, it has a picture of a starchy sweet tator! What was he thinking!!!) Carb Refeeding and Weight Loss | Mark's Daily Apple
                            65lbs gone and counting!!

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                              paleo is only a fad diet in terms of FAD instead of SAD: Freakin' Awesome Diet instead of Sad American Diet.
                              I LOVE this, Zoebird.

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                              • #75
                                WHat breaks me up is people arguing or saying, Primal, Paleo, etc etc are NOT a diet, it's a lifestyle.

                                IT"S A DIET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                What you consume is "YOUR DIET"

                                The African Lion's "diet" consists of eating meat.
                                The American Bison's "diest" consists of foraging for grass.
                                55 yr old male


                                07/01/2013

                                Weight; 199
                                Chest; 41.5
                                Waist; 42
                                Hips; 40
                                Thigh; 22.5
                                Calf; 15
                                Bicep: 13
                                Forearm; 11.5
                                Neck; 17

                                07/20/2013

                                Weight; 200
                                Chest; 42
                                Waist; 42.5
                                Hips; 39
                                Thigh; 23
                                Calf; 15
                                Bicep: 13
                                Forearm; 11.5
                                Neck; 16

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