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    12 Paleo Myths: Eat Better Than a Caveman by Matt Stone (eBook) - Lulu

    Paleo Fail – 180 Degree Health

    Paleo Myths – 180 Degree Health

    Did anyone read any of his stuff ?
    I'm very interested in knowing what are his arguments, as I do suffer from most of the problems he helps people to cure (hypothyroidism/hypopituitarism, messed up circadian rhythm...etc)
    Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
    (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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    http://www.180degreehealth.com/uploads/eBooks/Rrarf.pdf

    Found this, Choco would like it I think.
    I don't know but in my situation, trying it for 2 weeks won't kill me...
    I've been good before my crash on high carb diet, so why not giving it a try with whole paleo foods.

    The "Paleo Fail" and "Paleo Myths" phrases are just to "shock" people in order to get them to read, the sources of food he advocates to eat is pure paleo, just not low carb paleo. Well, in the book at least, since then he talked about pizza, ice cream and junk food to raise metabolism... Haha
    Last edited by Daydreamer; 11-09-2012, 07:47 AM.
    Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
    (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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    • #3
      Have not read the book in the first link but I did find it funny that he says "people eat a boring diet of mostly meat and vegetables" HUH?!?

      In the second link he associates Paleo with low carb which it can be but it is not. He then makes the classic screw up of confusing avoiding carbs rather than avoiding grains....face/palm.

      Paleo can be low carb for weight loss but there are plenty of good sources of carbs so chow down.
      Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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      • #4
        I agree with your Dirlot. The "boring diet" label is absolutely stupid, my diet is anything but boring tbh. I find eating lower carb higher starch to bore me MUCH quicker.

        But the .pdf I've linked isn't that stupid.

        I'm not VLC but I'm moderate carbs, but I'm low carbs for people like him. I eat like 90-100 g of carbs from vegetables.

        I'll give a try of higher carb lower fat (still around 80 to 100 g of fats, hormones are precious haha) for a week or two and see what it does.
        Natural food sources won't kill me.
        Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
        (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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        • #5
          Took a quick look at the pdf, from what I gather he is against processed food which is good. My objection is the way he insists paleo is a low carb/ very low carb way of eating.
          He seems to be anti-processed and if you can tolerate other foods eat them whether they are primal or not.
          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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          • #6
            There are plenty legitimate critiques of paleo, but Matt Stone is not the guy to look to.
            “The whole concept of a macronutrient, like that of a calorie, is determining our language game in such a way that the conversation is not making sense." - Dr. Kurt Harris

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            • #7
              Ok Chaohinon, are you familiar with his blog or anything ?
              I'm very curious.
              Still I will try a higher carb paleo approach for the next two weeks, I like to experiment things. If it could help my energy levels, circadian clock and everything, it would be a shame to never discover if I could beneficiate from it tbh.
              Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
              (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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              • #8
                I have looked at his blog and talked about this fella from time to time. What I find distressing (and why I don't trust a word he says) is that he burns a lot of bridges with well known and well respected people just to get more traffic. I'm just not a fan of negative advertising and fear tactics. He has built himself up as the "anti-paleo" to cash in on a market niche that consists of people that either had trouble implementing low carb paleo or just didn't like the concept from the start. All in all I don't think 2 weeks of anything dietary wise is going to do irrevocable damage (assuming a semi-healthy state to start), but I would definitely read his stuff with a grain (or maybe a bucket) of salt.

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                • #9
                  I couldn't care less what Matt Stone or anybody has to say that is negative about the paleo diet. Over a year of primal/paleo and I feel better and better all the time. I will never go back to how I felt before. I'm a totally different person on the inside as well as on the outside. I don't want to be who I was before. That person was sad, scared, tired and crazy. A windy day might set me off and by the end of the day I'll have been reprimanded at my job for having an outburst and within a year or 5 I'd be looking for a new job. That lady is GONE and I don't want her back.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • #10
                    That's great sbhikes, I'm glad you feel that way.
                    I had a huge improvement from paleo woe at first, but, well, I'm afraid it's all due to my fucked up hormonal state and yet to be adressed problems in my HRT.
                    But I want to experiment things
                    Haha I don't have a semi healthy state at all Neckhammer, I have a very poor health right now but... I want to know if I'm one of the people that beneficiate for a higher carb approach.
                    Won't do what he advocates in his book, it's just a recipe for fat gain, just around 80g to 100g of good fats (mostly saturated), slightly leaner meat most of the time and good primal carbs like yams.
                    Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                    (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                    • #11
                      Good luck with it. You may be interested in the PHD web site. They are pretty pro safe starches there with a nice paleo slant Perfect Health Diet - A diet for healing chronic disease, restoring youthful vitality, and achieving long life. I think it could be a good resource as a platform for high carb primal. They use more starch than fruit for reasons they talk about.

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                      • #12
                        I am certainly interested to read any counter-paleo/primal literature, because it is good to read counter-arguments, but I found this Matt Stone chap very ugly to read. Yes, I too was also put off by the judgmental and not very scientific 'meat and veg is boring' sort of nonsense but I also had a quick read over some of the PDF where I was equally unimpressed. At the end of the day I don't think that eating healthy and nutritious food, in the form of meat/fish, fruit and veg, nuts, some dairy, dark choc, red wine etc, can be anything other than good for you.

                        Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                        Good luck with it. You may be interested in the PHD web site. They are pretty pro safe starches there with a nice paleo slant Perfect Health Diet - A diet for healing chronic disease, restoring youthful vitality, and achieving long life. I think it could be a good resource as a platform for high carb primal. They use more starch than fruit for reasons they talk about.
                        I'm just watching the video from this link now and it seems interesting and certainly more credible, though not necessarily critical of primal as far as I can see so far.

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                        • #13
                          I read his "aggressive refeeding and rest recovery" ebook and I found it pretty average so I haven't read on further. I suppose it could be useful for those who have dieted way too hard or have driven themselves insane with unnecessary dietary restrictions. Those who tend to those kinds of extremes could probably be pretty well served by eating some icecream and cereal for breakfast for a few days.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                            Good luck with it. You may be interested in the PHD web site. They are pretty pro safe starches there with a nice paleo slant Perfect Health Diet - A diet for healing chronic disease, restoring youthful vitality, and achieving long life. I think it could be a good resource as a platform for high carb primal. They use more starch than fruit for reasons they talk about.
                            Yeah I know this web site.
                            I'm don't always agree with what they have to say but at least it's well written, not in a way to make people afraid, and they have so good infos.
                            Their articles on the links between Hypothyroidism and Low Carbs are very balanced, so I think if I had to go on a "Higher Carb" bandwagon for some time I would put more trust in the Perfect Health Diet.

                            Thanks for the input guys,
                            "At the end of the day I don't think that eating healthy and nutritious food, in the form of meat/fish, fruit and veg, nuts, some dairy, dark choc, red wine etc, can be anything other than good for you. "
                            I think you're right, that's what I'm doing (minus the red wine because I don't tolerate alcohol very well, and most of the dairy stuff, and dark choc that I don't eat much haha)
                            But, well, some people report better energy going Higher Carbs Paleo, and I'm really suffering from a lack of energy, strange reactions like edema (face, hips, abdomen, feet, forearms), dermographism, "moon" face, hot flashes, hungry at night, trouble sleeping, sometimes "panic attacks" with extreme fatigue/anxiety...
                            I'm pretty certain it comes from my hormonal problems because I still have issues with my Estradiol levels, my Thyroid hormones and my circadian rhythm (that I'm trying to solve by eating 30 minutes after rising instead of IFin, avoiding blue lights at night, going to bed at 22h, meditation and so on and so on...)

                            Or maybe it's allergy related, my "anti aging" doc wants me to do some food allergy bloodworks (I do have stuffy sinus, itchy throat, weak voice quite often) and wants to "clean" my gut flora and then making me take some pre and probiotics of choice.
                            We'll see how it goes.
                            Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                            (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
                              12 Paleo Myths: Eat Better Than a Caveman by Matt Stone (eBook) - Lulu

                              Paleo Fail – 180 Degree Health

                              Paleo Myths – 180 Degree Health

                              Did anyone read any of his stuff ?
                              I'm very interested in knowing what are his arguments, as I do suffer from most of the problems he helps people to cure (hypothyroidism/hypopituitarism, messed up circadian rhythm...etc)
                              Daydreamer,

                              Personally I started with "12 Paleo Myths: Eat Better Than a Caveman by Matt Stone", which I think gave me a basic foundation for Paleo. My main problem is to stick 100% to eat Paleo. Well, there are some 'fix' eating plans out there, anybody tried this one yet? Paleo Recipe Book Review Perhaps you guys have any other recommendations?

                              Thank you,

                              Jenni

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