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  • It is not superficial to want to lose weight. I bet if you add up all the diseases caused by obesity, and the cost those diseases have to society, they'd come close to or pass diseases and costs from cigarettes. Cigarette smokers who try electric cigarettes, hynotism, accupuncture, drugs, etc., are all treated to an "atta boy/girl, you quit however you can," while those trying to lose weight in whatever manner possible are made to feel like lazy sloths (see avatar for sloth).

    Whether you crash it off or take it off slowly, you have about a 90% chance of putting all back on within five years. And I don't know the stats for those who never even hit goal no matter what method they choose to lose weight.

    Hopefully, people discovering the benefits of regular exercise, and eating whole, healthy foods in addition to meeting their weight goals will change that 90%. If hacks, whether IF, multi-day fasts, keto, cyclic keto, or the temporary eating of one food that is a natural food helps people, then so be it.

    Imo, people over 40 who are more than 50% overweight are absolutely looking at some serious health issues down the line. Barring something dreadful like the Methedrine/laxative diet, they (and I when I was there) should do whatever possible to get that weight off. Sorry, I know that's not popular here, but it's starting to really bother me that some people think wanting to lose weight is trivial or superficial.
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    • If you don't push yourself to the limit, how do you even know if you have one?

      Trust me. You do. Nice on a tee shirt tho.

      Imo, people over 40 who are more than 50% overweight are absolutely looking at some serious health issues down the line. Barring something dreadful like the Methedrine/laxative diet, they (and I when I was there) should do whatever possible to get that weight off. Sorry, I know that's not popular here, but it's starting to really bother me that some people think wanting to lose weight is trivial or superficial.

      There are some people here who believe it to be unhealthy, and when compared to the PB, superficial. It is how you lose weight that is at issue as well as what kind of weight is being lost. If you are obese the last thing one needs is a crash diet. You wd. agree that how one gets there (weight loss) will determine success, no? As far as I can see the argument is for the last few pounds using this one weird trick isn't it? So if one is going to use this method they are already out of the morbidly obese zone, so to speak, and hope this tweak will get off the last few? Who has said that wanting to lose weight is trivial or superficial? I think your argument is a bit of a straw man.
      Last edited by Terry H; 11-18-2012, 03:42 PM.

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      • My theory on the potato diet is that it boosts fat loss by suddenly removing fat and excess protein from the diet while the body is in fat-burning mode and doesn't have its glucose-burning metabolism cranked up. Hence the body is forced to increase burning of stored fat, and will burn that glucose far less efficiently than someone coming from a CW SAD diet.

        Thus the context from which one switches to the potato diet is key. And the reason why it only works as a short-term clever hack.

        The low-carb fundamentalists would never spot this because all they can do is bleat 'All carbs bad always'.
        F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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        • Your theory is fairly unnecessary, as Peter over at Hyperlipid already explained the science. The comments are an interesting read as well.

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          • Originally posted by Kilian View Post
            Your theory is fairly unnecessary, as Peter over at Hyperlipid already explained the science. The comments are an interesting read as well.
            How condescending of you.

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            • Oh I didn't mean to sound condescending. I just wasn't sure if she was aware that the explanation is already out there.

              My apologies...

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              • Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                My theory on the potato diet is that it boosts fat loss by suddenly removing fat and excess protein from the diet while the body is in fat-burning mode and doesn't have its glucose-burning metabolism cranked up. Hence the body is forced to increase burning of stored fat, and will burn that glucose far less efficiently than someone coming from a CW SAD diet.

                Thus the context from which one switches to the potato diet is key. And the reason why it only works as a short-term clever hack.

                The low-carb fundamentalists would never spot this because all they can do is bleat 'All carbs bad always'.
                This is probably the best explanation I have heard. Peter at Hyperlipid may have you beat in number of big words, but you seem to have synthesized it very well, thanks!
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                • Originally posted by Kilian View Post
                  Your theory is fairly unnecessary, as Peter over at Hyperlipid already explained the science. The comments are an interesting read as well.
                  Did you know Peter did another post, back in 2011 Hyperlipid: Potatoes and weight loss (1)

                  "I tried and failed to produce a comprehensive post about weight loss on an all potato diet. It runs to too many pages. This is a brief simplification.

                  Eating 2-3000kcal/day of potatoes spikes blood glucose. The more potatoes you eat the more you spike glucose. The pancreas responds to hyperglycaemia by secreting insulin but also by upregulating pancreatic glucokinase production, which increases insulin secretion per unit rise in glucose. After a couple of days on an all potato diet your pancreas will be producing impressive amounts of post prandial insulin.

                  Adipocytes respond to the insulin by shutting down lipolysis. Plasma free fatty acids drop and fat loss stops.

                  Insulin is degraded by insulin degrading enzyme. Very, very, very crudely (with a ton of qualifications, read the paper!) insulin action leads to insulin degradation. All insulin sensitive tissues degrade insulin. The liver is a massive sink for insulin, especially on a high carbohydrate diet. Anything which increases hepatic insulin sensitivity should increase hepatic insulin degradation. A sudden ceasation of free fatty acid supply from adipocytes will increase both hepatic insulin sensitivity and hepatic insulin degradation. A potato diet supplies relatively little in the way of fatty acids so there is also little dietary fat to supply the lipid intermediates to encourage hepatic insulin resistance."
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                  • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                    Don't tell Fitness Wayne! Burn Fat Fast with Ketosis Fitness Wayne

                    "If you are looking to try to lose weight quickly, you should consider trying a ketogenic diet. The diet that popularized ketosis was the Atkins diet back in the 70′s. The definition of a ketogenic diet is a low carb diet where the body produces ketones for energy instead of dietary glucose. When you are in ketosis organs that normally run on glucose switch over to using ketones instead, including the brain, liver and heart"
                    Yes I do promote ketosis for weight loss because ketosis has been great in helping me lose weight. There are great health benefits from ketosis including preventing seizures for epileptic patients but since I am not epileptic I will just be grateful that it helps me lose weight. When I just follow a normal paleo/primal diet I eat too much fruit to lose enough weight to get into the single digits for body fat % and going into ketosis solves that problem for me.

                    I don't think selling ketosis/paleo/primal to people for weight loss is a bad thing. I first went paleo 18 months ago because I wanted to lose weight and a year into it I finally got around to reading a paleo book and realized all of the health benefits of paleo and that it wasn't just about weight loss. I stay on paleo today for the health benefits. The way I see it we can bring more people into the paleo/primal community by hyping the weight loss because there is a huge market for weight loss but there is less of a market for healthy living. The more people that go primal and paleo the better it is for all of us because it will be easier to find grass fed beef, wild caught salmon and organic products when we shop. I look forward to 10 years from now and restaurant have primal menu items the way they currently have vegetarian menu items. And the only way that happens is if we bring in more people.
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                    • Originally posted by Fitness Wayne View Post
                      Yes I do promote ketosis for weight loss
                      I was just picking on you because you posted that today when a bunch of people were down on me for promoting rapid weightloss with the potato diet. I know many, many people have turned to a ketogenic diet for weightloss and very few are doing it for medical reasons.

                      You should try the potato diet, not much different than ketogenic, really. Fat loss comes from the same mechanism--burning free fatty acids due to lack of other fuels. Makes good blog fodder anyway!

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                      • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                        I was just picking on you because you posted that today when a bunch of people were down on me for promoting rapid weightloss with the potato diet. I know many, many people have turned to a ketogenic diet for weightloss and very few are doing it for medical reasons.

                        You should try the potato diet, not much different than ketogenic, really. Fat loss comes from the same mechanism--burning free fatty acids due to lack of other fuels. Makes good blog fodder anyway!
                        I am all about self experimentation for to get good blog fodder but I like eating plenty of vegetables too much to give them up and try the primal potato diet. I don't doubt that it works, it just isn't for me. Don't let the haters get you down. If it works then use it.
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                        • I shared this on the egg thread also. Seems fitting here too:
                          Adding some food

                          So far we haven’t provided any calories to speak of. The next step in reducing the stress of the fast is to add some nutrition to the soup.
                          The stress of a fast is largely due to the absence of dietary carb and protein. The body has limited carb storage – glycogen is depleted early in a fast – and is loath to cannibalize lean tissue for protein. On the other hand, the body has abundant fat reserves. So
                          Two strategies may make sense in different circumstances:
                          • A protein-sparing modified fast. Protein, which is convertible to glucose, is eaten to relieve the carb+protein deficit.
                          • A ketogenic fast. Short-chain and medium-chain fatty acids, such as are found in coconut oil, are eaten to generate ketones. Ketones can partially substitute for glucose utilization.

                          What these have in common is that they reduce the carb+protein.
                          Probably 90% of people who fast should favor the protein-sparing approach. Those on ketogenic diets for neurological disorders should probably favor the ketogenic fasting approach.
                          An example of a food suitable for a ketogenic fast would be Neo-Agutak: “Eskimo Ice Cream” (Dec 5, 2010).
                          A suitable food on a protein-sparing modified fast would supply most calories as protein; carb and fat calories would be from nutrient-dense sources. Egg yolks, which are rich in phospholipids like choline, and potatoes are good examples of nutrient-dense fat and carb sources.
                          The easy way to implement this healthy fast: just add eggs, potatoes, and maybe some fish or shellfish (which tend to be protein-rich, and comply with the Catholic guidelines for Friday abstinence) to any of the soups shown above. Heat the soup in the microwave and there you have it: a healthy fast-day meal!
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                          • I added plain vegetables (cucumbers, broccoli, celery) to my PPD on day 4 with no ill results.

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                            • Originally posted by Kilian View Post
                              Oh I didn't mean to sound condescending. I just wasn't sure if she was aware that the explanation is already out there.

                              My apologies...
                              Oh that's OK. No - I wasn't aware of the explanation already out there.

                              Originally posted by tatertot View Post
                              This is probably the best explanation I have heard. Peter at Hyperlipid may have you beat in number of big words, but you seem to have synthesized it very well, thanks!
                              Aw, thank you. Yes I worked that out for myself, thanks to my biochemistry degree from Oxford University. There, I attended lectures on metabolism given by Yudkin's son. That's where I first learnt about the specific metabolic problems caused by fructose cf glucose.
                              F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                              • Just wondering if anyone else saw their weight shoot up on after the first day of the PPD? I notice lots of people saying it went down, but I"m guessing that since I was fairly low carb (trying to shoot for under 100) before trying this, that it is water weight due to glycogen storage. I was planning to do this for 3 days before thanksgiving, just for fun and to see if it might help kick start some additional weight loss, so I'm sticking with it, but not sure how I will be able to tell if I lose anything until I go back to my lower carb eating. I did take my measurements this morning, and they are down slightly from the last time I measured a few weeks ago, so I know I didn't actually gain weight. It's just annoying because I was hopeful to see a loss, and when I stepped on I went from my plateau weight (around 153-154) up to 157.

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