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  • #16
    My DH and eldest DD have suffered from severe depression and anxiety for many years. DD also has ADD. With both - the sugar has a huge effect on their conditions, however no amount of coaxing or leading by example wil get them truely on board the primal lifestyle. DH will eat what I cook him, but will also eat CW foods whenever he wants. One can lead a horse to water ........
    DHs anxiety is so bad , even on meds, that he jiggles around all night in his sleep - some nights (in fact I get hurt some nights. He is usually off on a crusade fighting snakes or wrestling sharks). His Doctor has given him sleeping tablets, which I was really upset about, so instead I have encouraged him to take magnesium and notice that when he does, his sleep is very settled.
    But I also notice that when he hasn't been eating much sugar his depression and anxiety are noticably better.
    "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

    ...small steps....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
      so instead I have encouraged him to take magnesium and notice that when he does, his sleep is very settled.
      Was going to suggest that, especially when I read the muscle spasm bit. I take 200mg before bed, sometimes more. I've read you can safely take up to 800mg a day, but I don't go past 600mg. Haven't had issues.
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      • #18
        I read "The Mood Cure" and have taken 5-HTP for depression and L-Tyrosine for anxiety (diagnosed with both 8 years ago) for about a year now, on and off as needed. They help immensely. For the first time, therapy is DOING something for me because I feel like I can actually analyze and learn from my life and feelings. It's amazing. I think the supplements helped set up a good platform for the therapy to be truly effective.

        My mood plummets when I eat refined sugar. More than a (flour-based) cookie and I'm screwed. It takes a few days sugar-free for me to recover.

        Snoops, you might be interested in this book. If your dopamine receptors are really "faulty" supplementing could help where food alone does not.
        Depression Lies

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        • #19
          Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
          I read "The Mood Cure" and have taken 5-HTP for depression and L-Tyrosine for anxiety (diagnosed with both 8 years ago) for about a year now, on and off as needed. They help immensely. For the first time, therapy is DOING something for me because I feel like I can actually analyze and learn from my life and feelings. It's amazing. I think the supplements helped set up a good platform for the therapy to be truly effective.

          My mood plummets when I eat refined sugar. More than a (flour-based) cookie and I'm screwed. It takes a few days sugar-free for me to recover.

          Snoops, you might be interested in this book. If your dopamine receptors are really "faulty" supplementing could help where food alone does not.
          This is interesting. When I first started experiencing anxiety, I simultaneously decided I wanted to finally stop abusing pot. In two days it'll be two months, which will be my longest stretch of sobriety in 3-4 years. It's been a long time coming and something I decidedly didn't want to do but had to do. Anyway, I think my dopamine receptors had to be impacted by my drug use (and just to be clear, I never did shit besides smoke week, but I smoked a lot of weed) and also, being without 'medication' was an unknown to me and likely a source of anxiety as well.

          I've read it can take a couple of weeks for all that to normalize, and most of the time I feel good - meaning, I'm not anxious and don't have bad thoughts, etc. I would imagine all is well with my dopamine levels and receptors, but I might give that book a read. I considered ordering 5-HTP and L-Tyrosine (and other things) when the anxiety was lasting a few days, just looking for a way out so speak. It took going on a hike with my gf and getting things off my chest regarding my years of drug use, regrets, etc to start feeling better. I think I had to forgive myself and accept my past and start to move forward for the anxiety to subside, and it has, but sometimes it still wants to come around so I might consider at least the L-tyrosine - is there a particular brand you went for? I see iherb.com has a few varieties.
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          • #20
            I make my orders from Vitacost or swing by a local Vitamin Shoppe when I forget to order ahead. I've tried a few brands, but I just go for the cheapest now since I never noticed any difference. Just make sure you know what dose you are getting (check for how many capsules make up a dose)/how many servings are in a container. That's screwed me over a few times, ending up with a 15 day supply when I meant to have 3 months worth.

            I believe gut health can also have an impact on mental "stability". My depression came back with a vengeance when I started having gut issues a couple of months ago. I'd been without 5-HTP for about 6 months and suddenly needed 250mg ("The Mood Cure" says up to 300mg daily is safe, so it's kind of a high dose) to feel stable and non-suicidal. I think it's partially knowing that I'm ill that gets me down, as well as the physical impact of my gut flora or whatever being imbalanced. There isn't a lot of research on this because it's very hard to get a controlled environment.
            Depression Lies

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            • #21
              Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
              Did you do anything in particular to get there? It's amazing how weakening a few bouts of anxiety attacks can be.
              i did...sort of. when i was in grad school i taught full time at a school for troubled boys (sex offenders, arsonists, drug dealers, etc.). they were two sources of crazy stress and anxiety, which followed a busy college career and ended six years of insomnia. it was pretty hellish, but in the last class i had to take i read a book that had a chapter on reflection. it clicked with me, and i started taking a step back to look at everything in my life. then i finished that term, quit my job, taught an easy load of classes at the local college, and just took some time to reflect (easier said than done...it takes practice, kind of like meditation). since making that decision, despite whatever hard times come my way, i've remained the most even keeled person i know.
              i will say that i've gotten even better at this since losing weight, or moreso since going primal. probably because of the increased awareness, energy and balanced body chemistry.
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60178.html

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              • #22
                Interesting. Thanks (both of you)
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                  I read "The Mood Cure" and have taken 5-HTP for depression and L-Tyrosine for anxiety (diagnosed with both 8 years ago) for about a year now, on and off as needed. They help immensely. For the first time, therapy is DOING something for me because I feel like I can actually analyze and learn from my life and feelings. It's amazing. I think the supplements helped set up a good platform for the therapy to be truly effective.

                  My mood plummets when I eat refined sugar. More than a (flour-based) cookie and I'm screwed. It takes a few days sugar-free for me to recover.



                  Snoops, you might be interested in this book. If your dopamine receptors are really "faulty" supplementing could help where food alone does not.

                  Thanks namelesswonder. I remembered you had spoken about that book before and I was going to ask you for the title. Going out to get it now. I really dont want to live in a sub normal anxious state for the rest of my life. And am committed to no grains.

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                  • #24
                    headaches

                    Originally posted by iniQuity View Post

                    I have been having some nagging headaches, where my head doesn't actually hurt but I feel some tingling and mild jabbing. I think they're probably tension headaches, but it could be just a result of eating more grains and/or sugar.
                    I am so glad you posted this. I have been diagnosed with chronic migraines and I have a headache every day. Every. Day. They present in a lot of different manners- typical migraine with the pounding, squeezing feeling inside the head etc. Those typical ones don't bother me. Recently I have been having tingling and jabbing and for some reason these are the ones that freak me out- probably because most people have experienced the classic headaches but I haven't run across anyone else with these. Your post makes me feel so much better.

                    But the reason I was reading the post was anxiety. Just going primal didn't stop my anxiety but finally quitting coffee made a huge difference.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by citygirl View Post
                      I am so glad you posted this. I have been diagnosed with chronic migraines and I have a headache every day. Every. Day. They present in a lot of different manners- typical migraine with the pounding, squeezing feeling inside the head etc. Those typical ones don't bother me. Recently I have been having tingling and jabbing and for some reason these are the ones that freak me out- probably because most people have experienced the classic headaches but I haven't run across anyone else with these. Your post makes me feel so much better.

                      But the reason I was reading the post was anxiety. Just going primal didn't stop my anxiety but finally quitting coffee made a huge difference.
                      Glad that helped, they are quite annoying and sometimes scary because they don't make sense so to speak. These definitely caused anxiety for me because I couldn't make sense of them but I'm trying to go grain/sugar free again and will see if they go away as a result. I can't tell if they're strongly related but it could be.
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                      • #26
                        iniQuity Julia Ross (Mood Cure)has a section on marijuana.

                        http://books.google.com/books?id=SdZ...ijuana&f=false
                        Last edited by Urban Forager; 11-08-2012, 08:37 PM.
                        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                        • #27
                          I used to take SAM-e for depression, but once I changed my diet I no longer needed it. I know you didn't ask about depression but thought I'd mention it. As for anxiety, I still have some but it is about stressful/unpleasant things like going to the dentist or job interviews. Chromium picalinate supplementation alievated my heart-pounding panicky reactions to things like a knock on the door, the phone ringing, or seeing a spider. I had reached the point that I was scared of being scared as the reaction was so stressful. But only after a few days of taking the chromium I felt much better. I firmly believe that malnutrition is the root cause of much mental illness.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AMonkey View Post
                            Paleo made no difference to my anxiety however I seem to have better mood in general on paleo, and thats led me to being led anxious.
                            Thank's AMonkey, that's exactly what I experienced too. I think because consuming less 'fast' carbs, it keeps your energy on a static level and therefore prevents you from having those mood-swings during the day.


                            Jenni

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                              Thanks. I feel that any desire to do it now is mostly nostalgic, ie remember what fun I had. Luckily those are easily erased or over shadowed by the bad times and I'm more driven by the idea of being drug-free nowadays. It's more motivating to me to stay off it than it ever was before, and so I think I'll be fine. I am also sure returning to a more strict primal diet will do wonders for my mental health and all other things.

                              Thanks for the link though I enjoyed reading it.
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                              • #30
                                I think you should have another gradation or several in your survey. "Somewhat" better instead of jumping straight to "much" better. Although there's always going to be an individual twist on whatever choices there are!

                                Anyway, I had gotten myself into an awful state before starting primal, including terrifying anxiety/panic that led me to make some very bad choices from time to time.

                                The first 10-18 months of primal were amazing for my enhanced ability to cope with daily ups and downs. I think it's the taking control of your life aspect that does a lot for us initially. For me, also, sleeping well for the first time in many years. Then as other people have noted ITT: cutting out processed foods, improving gut health, eliminating the rushes and crashes -- all good for mental health and personal balance.

                                I've been primal for roughly 25 months and in the last five or six months have slid back toward some darker days, or to be frank, a few dark weeks. I can however identify specific triggers, and I have much better coping strategies. I am hopeful that if I can catch a break here or there that I'll regain my positive trajectory. Fingers crossed!
                                "If man made it, don't eat it." ..Jack LaLanne
                                "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are.
                                If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." ..Richard Feynman

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