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    Hello guys,
    I had a bloodwork done last week and my insulin came below the lab ranges,
    Insulin : 10 pmol/l (13 - 161)
    1,5 mcU/ml (1,9 - 23,3)

    I know it could indicate something linked to my hormonal imbalances, and that it could lead me to having difficulties to put on muscle mass...

    But also, I'm IFing at least 16 hours every day, and the bloodwork would most likely be done towards the end of a fast. I also eat only 15% of my calories as carbs (vegetables).
    Could it explain everything about this or is there a problem ?

    Thank you very much
    Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
    (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

  • #2
    I also had below-range insulin levels when I had them tested and I also utilize IF pretty much daily. From what I have read, the lower your fasting insulin is, the better. One of insulin's primary jobs is to help store nutrients after you eat. So it makes sense for it to be very low when you are not eating.

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    • #3
      Yes but to a certain extent since insulin helps you build muscle.
      I may have to test it with a common eating schedule to see how it goes (like after a 8h overnight fast)

      Thanks for your input though
      Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
      (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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      • #4
        i am purposely looking to get my insulin down and i am totally Ketogenic.

        if you are eating any carbs at all with that reading yah i would worry too.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
          Hello guys,
          I had a bloodwork done last week and my insulin came below the lab ranges,
          Insulin : 10 pmol/l (13 - 161)
          1,5 mcU/ml (1,9 - 23,3)

          I know it could indicate something linked to my hormonal imbalances, and that it could lead me to having difficulties to put on muscle mass...

          But also, I'm IFing at least 16 hours every day, and the bloodwork would most likely be done towards the end of a fast. I also eat only 15% of my calories as carbs (vegetables).
          Could it explain everything about this or is there a problem ?

          Thank you very much
          I don't know a tonne about low fasting insulin levels, but I do know that your chances of gaining muscle will be effected by only eating 15% of your calories as carbs. In addition to a calorie surplus and a progressive weight training program, you do require some carbs for muscle growth - at least enough to be out of ketosis (150-200g).

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          • #6
            I was curious about this as well, so I bought a glucose monitor, the kind diabetics use, and check my blood glucose at different times. It is very interesting and you can infer your insulin levels from the results. I like to check my glucose evry 15 minutes before and after eating certain meals to check my insulin response to different foods.

            One thing I found very interesting. I can lower my fasting blood glucose about 20 points in 10 minutes by filling my mouth with glucose or sucrose, swishing for 30 seconds and spitting it out. I think what happens is the amylase sensors in your mouth signal the pancrease to release a surge of insulin in preparation for the glucose it thinks you are about to swallow, when you don't swallow it, the circulating insulin quickly clears any glucose out of your blood.

            Anyway, get yourself a glucose meter and have some fun with it.

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            • #7
              You don't always require progressive weight training to put on muscle.
              You don't always need carbs for muscle growth (many guys here can tell you this, with sometimes impressive results)
              Carbs are needed for anaerobic activities, glycogen demanding.
              That's not what I'm doing.

              I'm just... naturally filling out, with an "accelerated puberty" now that I'm on Hormone Replacement Therapy.
              So no, I don't see anything wrong with eating 15% Carbs to be honest, and I do a weekly refeed with minimal fats and it works well...

              I don't know how to interpret your post quelsen, I'm eating anywhere from 80 to 100g of carbs from vegetables per day.

              Thanks for the answers

              Oh and, you can be out of ketosis without eating 150 to 200g carbs.
              It generally takes much less carbs than this to be out of ketosis (Ketosis enjoyers here tend to eat like under 40 or even under 20 g).
              You can be metabolically fat burning dominant without being in ketosis.
              That's what Mark advocates.

              (Oh and, here is an example of putting on muscle without high carbs and without resistance training:
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...5-fuckyeah-jpg
              to
              http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...58946237_n.jpg
              I think it's working.)
              Last edited by Daydreamer; 11-07-2012, 11:46 AM.
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              • #8
                i thought i read you as concerned with your numbers, i am saying that if you are not ketogenic that number looks low to me as well
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                • #9
                  I don't know if I'm ketogenic, I don't have way to measure it, I just know that I don't feel the same as when I tried to go in deep ketosis eating less than 20g of carbs a day.
                  Also I eat high protein so I guess I'm out of ketosis.

                  otzi I have a glucometer and my blood glucose is always between 0,80 and 1,05 (80 to 105 for some units)
                  So I guess my body keeps it well balanced.
                  But I don't know the whole mechanism, maybe low insulin blood levels could be detrimental.
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                  • #10
                    Daydreamer,this might help:
                    Whole Health Source: What's the Ideal Fasting Insulin Level?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by marcadav View Post
                      Wow thanks for the reply, the article is very useful.
                      Unfortunately I don't manage to convert my unit to the unit used but it looks alright.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
                        Wow thanks for the reply, the article is very useful.
                        Unfortunately I don't manage to convert my unit to the unit used but it looks alright.
                        I plugged your results (10pmol/l) in here:
                        SI Unit Conversion Calculator
                        and got 1.44ÁIU/ml

                        FWIW- my last fasting insulin was <2 ÁIU/ml (6-27ÁIU/ml)

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                        • #13
                          So I shouldn't be worried then I guess.
                          Thank you very much
                          Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                          (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                          • #14
                            i have noticed in my case that after removing all the carbs from my diet my blood glucose self regulated. I personally cannot use glucose levels as a measuring stick the way carb eaters do.

                            my personal opinion is that blood sugar doesnt matter to primal eaters.
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