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    ...lasted 20 min, between me opening a jar of hemp protein, putting the numbers through the Fit Day and realizing that there is no way I can live even a day on 5 smoothies with this ingredient & NOTHING else. I love a smoothie once in a while, but I am still in shock. And here I thought ketonic was extreme. (Sigh). Here goes my dream of a sweet day of raw fruit and veggies. The reality was pretty bad. It's not just smoothies, it's awful tasting smoothies, because the taste is crap. I can do one a day on a carb-up day since the nutritional profile is stellar, but that's about it. I guess, I have a screw lose somewhere, I just can't seem to adhere to strict diets at all. I always want everything.
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    Why do you want to be a raw vegan?

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    • #3
      I don't know if Zoe Harcombe is respected/ignored/vilified here, but in the post Five a day: The truth , she compares combinations of 5 foods you'd need to get RDAs as an omnivore, vegetarian, and vegan.

      After all this, is there a perfect five-a-day? I set about doing what should have been done before any of this started. I went back to the USDA nutrition database and tried to get the Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs) from just five foods. This can be achieved with 100 grams of liver, 200 grams of sardines, 200 grams of whole milk, 100 grams of sunflower seeds and 200 grams of broccoli (1,300 calories). There will be infinite combinations of real foods that can provide the RDAs, but I started from the ones known to be highly nutritious.

      For interest, I repeated the experiment for a vegetarian diet and the biggest challenge became vitamin D. The RDAs could be met with five foods: 500 grams of whole milk, 450 grams of eggs (10 medium eggs), 300 grams of spinach, 250 grams of raw mushrooms grown in sunshine and 50 grams of sunflower seeds (1,360 calories). Dietary advisors applaud people for choosing a vegetarian diet, but then tell them to avoid eggs and to consume low-fat milk. It then becomes practically impossible for a vegetarian to meet even minimal nutritional requirements. I had returned to eating meat and fish before the research for this part of the book, but, this exercise gave me great concern about what lasting damage I may have done to my health during years of not eating meat and fish. Gwyneth Paltrow may also be re-evaluating her diet after sharing her medical experience on her health website (June 2010). Paltrow’s vitamin D levels were tested by doctors in New York, following a “pretty severe” bone fracture and they “turned out to be the lowest they had ever seen.”[viii]

      Vegans can’t get B12 naturally and they would need to eat 2.25 kilograms of (raw sunshine grown) mushrooms in a fat delivery mechanism (e.g. vegetable oil) to get the ‘adequate intake’ for vitamin D and an unusual food like oriental dried radishes to get their calcium – and to repeat this daily. For completeness, the five vegan foods would be 2.25 kilograms of mushrooms, 175 grams of porridge oats, 25 grams of sunflower seeds, 100 grams of oriental dried radishes and 300 grams of spinach (in more vegetable oil) and a vitamin B12 supplement. Without the calories in the vegetable oil, the vegan basket adds up to 1,644 calories – the highest of all three sample ways of getting our nutritional requirement.
      I understand this is just one person's opinion, and the parameters she set were artificial because of course we all have more than five foods available to us. But I found it interesting that with the veganism, you'd not only have to add oil to your diet, but you'd have to take a supplement. Over and over again in my reading, when I was trying to figure out how to change my diet to a healthy one, I found that veganism comes with a need for supplementation.

      Nothing wrong with raw fruits and veggies of course. They're delicious and healthy. They're just not the whole story.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
        Why do you want to be a raw vegan?
        I don't know why people want to be raw vegans. Does raw veganism include eating roasted meat? If not, it's a wrong diet.
        Imagine eating cold grass (breakfast), more cold grass (lunch) and even more cold grass (dinner).
        Last edited by anna5; 11-05-2012, 11:37 AM.

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        • #5
          My cousin just went raw vegan. I told her to come talk to me when she's sick of feeling soft, sluggish and angry.

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          • #6
            I'm all for raw foods, but I don't think I could ever be vegan. Power to ya though! Instead of hemp protein, try Sun Warrior Warrior Blend. The texture is not the best, but it tastes okay and is primal friendly for the most part (it's got some pea protein, but I think you could do a lot worse)
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            • #7
              I have an issues with high fat diet being very hard to control calorically & having to stick to ketosis all week when the best I can fit in is some cabbage and celery, then a clean carb-up on potatoes, so that's like a beautiful dream of a day when I can eat things I actually like... fruit, mainly. I miss fruit the most during the week. Plus, meats are so hard - they are good, but you can only eat a tiny bit volumetrically, and the more fat, the less you can eat (and the best meats are fatty); and if you have carb cap, you can't make up volume from veggies (unless you like really go wild on spinach).

              But, I have problem with caloric controls as soon as I start eating my fruit (people who say that it's hard to get enough calories on a vegetarian diet haven't seen me devouring buckets of fruit), so I thought I can limit it if I stick to Raw Vegan. But it just doesn't pan out, as yeah, I practically have to do meal replacement instead of my dream day of eating everything I want with a pinch of protein powder to get my 100 g protein. So, yeah, I am better off with egg whites and Greek yogurt as the source, and the rest from fruit/veg. It limits the amount of fruit I can eat, of course, but yeah, tough luck.

              I am perfectly fine with just veggies and fruit all day for a day, but one look at my protein count and it's not gonna happen! I need 100 g min, and 150 ideal.
              Last edited by Leida; 11-05-2012, 12:47 PM.
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              • #8
                And thank you, Dr.Bork Bork, the prot/calories of the SWW blend is far better than raw hemp.

                But I am also considering which part is more important to me: Raw or Vegan? Because if I commit to just Raw, I can do some raw meat, fish and eggs, no pro; if I commit to just vegan, here come the beans to the rescue... But on the whole, I am wondering if I just lack the screw, or commitment, or conviction, or something... it just sounds like some sort of a game, rather than the real thing somehow.
                Last edited by Leida; 11-05-2012, 12:52 PM.
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                • #9
                  If you do go raw vegan, you are going to have to hand in your Primal Club Card.
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                  • #10
                    But on the whole, I am wondering if I just lack the screw, or commitment, or conviction, or something... it just sounds like some sort of a game, rather than the real thing somehow.
                    Seriously, maybe you lack common sense. I know your goal is to have a muscular yet lean body. Veganism....does not seem likely to accomplish that.

                    I know this is so fucking cheesy, but your issue doesn't seem to be food mix, but rather self control (ie, you feel you overeat certain foods). What about trying something like "Deal a Meal" or Weight Watchers, only stick to whole primal foods, but with boundaries on how much you can eat?

                    One thing I am realizing.... there will always be a food I will overeat if I let myself. Whole 30- it was dates.... Primal, it's dark chocolate, paleo- a love for the coconut milk. Eliminating foods doesn't do a damn thing to fix the problem.

                    I know you have a really high goal for yourself, and you are willing to sacrifice a lot to get there... but are you sure you want to sacrifice health..... especially when you consider that you could potentially look worse as a end result of veganism?

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                    • #11
                      I am talking 1 day a week, and apparently I wasn't even able to get there past breakfast smoothie.

                      I am doing UD2.0, where I stay ketonic for 5 days, then carb up on starch for 1 day, then it is a day of free eating when you don't have to hit macros on the dot and don't have million 'don't's. I wanted to try raw vegan for that particular day because I miss fruit (and veggies, but to a lesser degree because I still get to eat some). Overall, I am pretty happy with the set up (since I still get to have carbs and fruit each week), but I am trying to maximize the fruit.

                      I just can't stop eating fruit. I love it very much, so when I get 1 day a week when I can have fruit (it's no good otherwise, something about glucogen yada, yada, yada), it is hard to fit in all fruit I want AND meet protein need. So, I had the brain wave about raw vegan.

                      I was wrong, obviously.

                      I handed in my Primal Club Card. Like I said, I just don't seem to have what it takes to be a purist. I don't think I want to be anything dietically any more.
                      Last edited by Leida; 11-05-2012, 01:19 PM.
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                      • #12
                        I'm not sure if I understand what your goal is. I think (sorry if I'm being slow) that you want to be able to restrict calories and still eat a good amount of good tasting food. I think you might be surprised that many animal product have fewer calories per gram of protein.

                        I put together a spread sheet when I was trying to find the best caloric bang for my buck regarding protein. Here's a small portion of it:



                        These might not match exactly to any given tracker online because at the time I was doing it piecemeal. From the above, you could slam down about 15 oz of pork loin (fat trimmed) for 465 calorie and get 117 grams of protein. Assuming a caloric goal of 1200, you'd have 735 calories left to eat all the fruits and veggies you wanted. It's an extreme example, I know. Also, my chicken values are for boneless, skinless.
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                        • #13
                          Oh, I understand, and I can do it even for very few calories on egg whites and 0% Greek Yogurt and meeting 'no fat' goal for high carb day. I just thought by some reason that I can do a whole day on the raw plant matter alone to take a break from the meat-eating, and to exclude dairy, since dairy is a wild card AND have a huge volume of food that will like totally help me get through a Hungry Sunday. Again, I was mistaken, so I will just do ew's & skim dairy. No raw veganism for me, heh.
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                          When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                          • #14
                            Gotcha. And you've been around longer than I, so I know you know that it's not the extracting of fat from dairy that's bad, it's the fact that most major brands add crap back in afterward. There was a thread, I can't remember what it was called, but I believe the nutritional profile for Fage 0% is the same for Fage full fat except for the fat, so nothing wrong with fat free there.

                            Good luck.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                            • #15
                              Yep, same here, we don't have Fage, but Liberte brand I am buying here doesn't have anything crappy added to it, and tastes awesome. Plus, I resumed my quark-making (poor grains had been in and out of the freezer like 5 times now with my Doubts about Dairy).

                              I still don't know how these raw folks do it. Sheesh, that's commitment. Maybe sprouts are better, dunno. I think they are also into actually pretty low protein lifestyle too, like 50 g or so a day.
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                              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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