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  • #16
    hey thanks i read the article, but where does it say that? or are you just assuming the OP had a normal carb diet because she doesn't say she is low carb? It seems like she isn't a low carber because she doesn't mention carbs anywhere.

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    • #17
      One thing worth consideration, is the fact that fat mixed in with any meal will blunt the glycemic load of carbs and ease the requirement on your hormonal systems to balance it out. A bowl of rice mixed with butter and vegetables will not have as pronounced effect on your rise in blood sugar as the it would if you just ate rice. Protein cannot do this in itself, and in fact will also cause a large drop in blood sugar without fat because isolated protein is also highly insulinogenic.

      The problem with most scientific research on the subject of excessive carbs + fat together is that it rarely controls for excess calories overall. I don't know of any tightly controlled ward studies that compare the effects of high fat and carb together as being "worse" than not. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, most starches will taste much better with a little fat mixed in with them. Just don't overdo it.

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      • #18
        exactly, I have always thought this it's just that i've seen some people saying that it's bad for you to eat them together, even though it doesn't actually make sense in terms of the scientific causes for CVD. Having saturated fat would only help in my opinion because the more fat and less carbs, the less triglycerides and the less LDL-P is made, so less chance of CVD.

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        • #19
          Types of carbs DO matter. Inflammation being the primary thing that drives CVD.

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          • #20
            yes i know this, i meant as in terms of type of carb with saturated fat that causes the saturated fat to be problematic, not the inflammation itself to be problematic.

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            • #21
              I somewhat agree...sometimes. I usually prefer to eat my satfats and carbs separate...fats + carbs = very high calorie meal. High calorie meals (primal or not) will spike insulin levels. You'll usually only want that effect after a crazy workout like a ridiculous crossfit metcon. But of course we don't do too many of those

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              • #22
                That's absolutely not right.
                Many people eat 2, or even 1 meals per day.
                That means they eat most of their daily calories in one sitting.
                Yes, they spike insulin levels.
                But it's absolutely natural.
                This whole "evil" vision of insulin is absolutely ludicrous, insulin is natural and can be beneficial to the human body.
                It's NORMAL to raise insulin levels after a meal.
                Chronically raised insulin levels are the problem.

                Snacking is worse than elevating your insulin with big meals.
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                (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
                  That's absolutely not right.
                  Many people eat 2, or even 1 meals per day.
                  That means they eat most of their daily calories in one sitting.
                  Yes, they spike insulin levels.
                  But it's absolutely natural.
                  This whole "evil" vision of insulin is absolutely ludicrous, insulin is natural and can be beneficial to the human body.

                  completely agree with that.
                  It's NORMAL to raise insulin levels after a meal.
                  Chronically raised insulin levels are the problem.

                  Snacking is worse than elevating your insulin with big meals.
                  completely agree with that.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
                    That's absolutely not right.
                    Many people eat 2, or even 1 meals per day.
                    That means they eat most of their daily calories in one sitting.
                    Yes, they spike insulin levels.
                    But it's absolutely natural.
                    This whole "evil" vision of insulin is absolutely ludicrous, insulin is natural and can be beneficial to the human body.
                    It's NORMAL to raise insulin levels after a meal.
                    Chronically raised insulin levels are the problem.

                    Snacking is worse than elevating your insulin with big meals.
                    Don't know how you got that I was saying insulin was bad. Of course it's a useful hormone, but most people don't know how to control it effectively. You can't assume that everyone knows what they're doing, if they did then Mark would've stopped blogging a long time ago.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Lukey View Post
                      yes i know this, i meant as in terms of type of carb with saturated fat that causes the saturated fat to be problematic, not the inflammation itself to be problematic.
                      Yes, consuming sat fat with lots of fructose or sucrose on a regular basis is potentially far more inflammatory than eating sat fat with starch, other things being equal.

                      I don't believe that eating sat fat with starch when glycogen stores are reasonably depleted while not consuming a calorific surplus overall is any cause for concern.
                      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                      • #26
                        Eating fat and carbs together definitely changes things. Whether it's good or bad, I can't be certain, but if you measure your blood sugar after eating mainly starch, such as a plain potato, you will see a huge spike in blood sugar. If you eat glucose and fat, say a baked potato with butter and sour cream, the blood sugar spike will not be as high, but may last longer.

                        When you eat fat, there are different hormones released like CCK and bile which slow the digestion process so the hard-to-absorb fat and protein stays in the small intestine longer. If there is a carb load along for the ride, it gets slowed as well.

                        Like I said, I don't know if it's bad, but it definitely happens.

                        When I used to do carb refeeds, I ate lower fat and regular protein with lots of carbs. This would cause water weight gain of several pounds overnight. If I eat a massive amount of just plain potatoes, with no extra fat or protein, there is no water weight gain. What if the water weight gain from a carb refeed w/fat and protein added is really inflammation? It is often sold as normal, but maybe not.

                        Just my experience.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by otzi View Post
                          When I used to do carb refeeds, I ate lower fat and regular protein with lots of carbs. This would cause water weight gain of several pounds overnight. If I eat a massive amount of just plain potatoes, with no extra fat or protein, there is no water weight gain. What if the water weight gain from a carb refeed w/fat and protein added is really inflammation? It is often sold as normal, but maybe not.
                          Or you could argue that the protein synthesis with carbs would lead to muscle rebuilding, which usually includes water retention, and carbs by themself just catabolizes your own muscles, which leads to not as much water retention?
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                            Or you could argue that the protein synthesis with carbs would lead to muscle rebuilding, which usually includes water retention, and carbs by themself just catabolizes your own muscles, which leads to not as much water retention?
                            Lots to ponder...good points!

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                            • #29
                              Bump

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Lukey View Post
                                yes i know this, i meant as in terms of type of carb with saturated fat that causes the saturated fat to be problematic, not the inflammation itself to be problematic.
                                I think that there are good and bad carbs. And whether you eat them with or without saturated fat is largely irrelevant.
                                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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