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    Hi everyone,

    What is your experience of temporarily going back to grains?

    I am about to go on a meditation retreat for 10 days and and have not done one of these since going Primal. The food is old school vegetarian -- Rice+Chickpeas for breakfast, then vegetarian food like quiche, pizza, pasta etc sometimes heavy on dairy and eggs (yay!) for lunch.

    There is no dinner. It's a 5hr eating window for old students.

    So, my questions are....
    • If I eat the rice/chickpea dish for breakfast then try to stay clear of the bread/pastry at lunch but basically do the best I can. What can I expect?
    • Will I feel sick? Tired? Upset stomach?
    • Should I take my own paleo musli and have it with yogurt instead, then load up on coconut fat at lunch + whatever else I can scavenge from the buffet?


    Basically looking for some advice! Its taken me ages to get over carb flu, and Im not keen to regress...

    thanks

  • #2
    10 days sounds like a long time...but it obviously won't kill you. If you do react to gluten grains that might be more of the issue and what you need to avoid, if possible.
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    • #3
      I hesitate to predict how you'll feel going back on grains again. Some people are more sensitive to grains than others and going paleo will definitely bring out issues of gluten sensitivity if you have one. Others will feel perfectly fine going back on grains. You won't know until you do it, honestly.
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      • #4
        Ah, going to have to just try maybe..

        Well I can avoid gluten mostly. It'll be rice i wont avoid unless I try to take my own food!

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        • #5
          You could bring your own food in, nuts, pemmican, nutrient-dense foods that will keep well and sustain you for the length of your stay. Pretend you're packing for a camping trip.
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          • #6
            I'd avoid anything with wheat in it or do a test run just in case it makes you physically ill and not just bloated a bit!

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            • #7
              So you will be doing basically a 5 hour eating window, so this sounds like intermittent fasting, like the "Fast 5". I think you will be fine. Enjoy the rice and lentils and chickpeas and all the veggies and fruit. You'll probably fart a lot but I don't think it'll hurt you otherwise.
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              • #8
                Thanks sbhikes and everyone,

                that sounds like the best strategy. If I take my own food Im just giving myself a bunch of stuff to fret over instead of getting on with the work. I'll start eating a little rice in the next couple of days to lead up to it and avoid the pasta / bread if at all possible.

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                • #9
                  I will not have a choice about this myself, come Christmas time. Out of 25 folks I am the ONLY one who eats a primal diet and I can only imagine that is not about to change before then. My family is inundated with CW propaganda.

                  So much so that my grandfather has sent out several "alert" measures, urging us to go on statins as a preventative measure if our cholesterol gets above 180. A PREVENTATIVE measure. Statins being taken casually like that is a pretty f*cking scary thought!

                  But yeah, that's just to show you the extent of my family's indoctrination. It's pretty bad. And being the ONLY person who does NOT eat a CW diet in my family out of 25 people... I'm just going to have to suck it up. I am resigned to that fact. *sigh*
                  "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                  • #10
                    By the way, I expect at LEAST one lasagna meal complete with wheat noodles and bread. Guess I'm eating plain, undressed salad that night (because the dressing will be made with crap oil)!
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                    • #11
                      Think of this as a demonstration to you on how living low carb has restored some metabolic flexibility. You may just find that the long period of time each day without food gives you a period of ketosis, and then the period of eating starchy stuff doesn't hurt you at all.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        Think of this as a demonstration to you on how living low carb has restored some metabolic flexibility. You may just find that the long period of time each day without food gives you a period of ketosis, and then the period of eating starchy stuff doesn't hurt you at all.
                        I'll make exceptions for rice, potatoes, and the like, but not wheat, which my family consumes by the truckload. =\

                        I fully expect to gain some weight this Christmas and will have to plow it off again in the new year. Ah, fun stuff. But at least I won't let gluten make me feel like crapolla this holiday season.
                        "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                        • #13
                          I've eaten grains and other crap foods at times based on the situation, didn't have any negative reaction worth noting other than a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not gonna look at my niece and refuse a slice of the cake she baked for my birthday because "NOT PRIMAL!".

                          Of course, how it'll effect different people will vary widely on a lot of things, but a crap meal here and there wont destroy you and nobody will show up to your door wearing animal skins to revoke your primal card.
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                          • #14
                            You may find the side effects less unpleasant if you gear yourself up for the trip. Start eating some of those foods the week beforehand. My friend did this for her wedding and it was a lot easier for her to get through some of the less primal foods, including cake and booze.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                              Think of this as a demonstration to you on how living low carb has restored some metabolic flexibility. You may just find that the long period of time each day without food gives you a period of ketosis, and then the period of eating starchy stuff doesn't hurt you at all.
                              When I've been on these retreats before I can tell you that after about day 3 all my aches and pains disappear and I start to feel pleasantly "light" inside. This is not the meditation (or not only at least). Last few times I think I could "feel" ketosis as a kind of not-unpleasant emptiness around the solar plexus and a kind of raw energy in the body. It may be my imagination..

                              I rather suspect you will turn out to be right sbhikes. I hope so, I could do with the boost to fat loss and autophagy

                              Drumroll, you may just have to pass on dessert. Not to big a crime in your family I hope!

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