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  • He's not talking about glucose, temmeyhpettti, he's talking about its pretended "magical" effects in terms of body recomposition, with fat loss and muscle preserving.
    Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
    (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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    • Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
      I was talking about your pretended maintenance kcal, or 2000 kcal.
      Could just be me though.
      One of my favourite sayings is "There is no failure, only feedback."

      With that in mind, I can tell you that the feedback I'm getting is that I'm weight stable at an approximate 2000 kcal. intake. Of course, at that level I do get about 150g protein, the rest in fat, and about 50 - 100g of carbohydrate from mostly leafy or fibrous vegetables ( things like spinach, cabbage, cucumbers ). I also drink coffee throughout the day with either heavy or light cream, which could easily nudge me upwards, so, say maybe 300 kcal as an error factor, which would get me to maybe a maximum of 2300 kcal.

      If my activity patterns were to change, so that I would expend more energy, then I would expect that to be reflected in my weight, which hasn't happened.

      -PK
      My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

      Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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      • Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
        He's not talking about glucose, temmeyhpettti, he's talking about its pretended "magical" effects in terms of body recomposition, with fat loss and muscle preserving.
        Exactly.

        -PK
        My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

        Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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        • Originally posted by pklopp View Post
          One of my favourite sayings is "There is no failure, only feedback."

          With that in mind, I can tell you that the feedback I'm getting is that I'm weight stable at an approximate 2000 kcal. intake. Of course, at that level I do get about 150g protein, the rest in fat, and about 50 - 100g of carbohydrate from mostly leafy or fibrous vegetables ( things like spinach, cabbage, cucumbers ). I also drink coffee throughout the day with either heavy or light cream, which could easily nudge me upwards, so, say maybe 300 kcal as an error factor, which would get me to maybe a maximum of 2300 kcal.

          If my activity patterns were to change, so that I would expend more energy, then I would expect that to be reflected in my weight, which hasn't happened.

          -PK
          That's a good way to see things haha.
          Great, well, you look great after all so I think you're right doing what you're doing.
          I'm pretty sure you could eat more (if you kept the same quality eating) and not gain much fat though.
          Or maybe it's because I'm 19, still developing my body and under TRT, who knows
          But I know I need a bare minimum of 2500 kcal a day or I loose like crazy.
          Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
          (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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          • I was surprised at that calorie total too. I'm a woman and (I think) much smaller than pklopp with less lean mass, and likely not younger than him, and I eat that much or more to maintain (or I'm vastly overestimating my intake). It's a good illustration of how calculated TDEE numbers can be very far off a given person's actual daily requirements.
            “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

            Owly's Journal

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            • Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
              That's a good way to see things haha.
              Great, well, you look great after all so I think you're right doing what you're doing.
              I'm pretty sure you could eat more (if you kept the same quality eating) and not gain much fat though.
              Or maybe it's because I'm 19, still developing my body and under TRT, who knows
              But I know I need a bare minimum of 2500 kcal a day or I loose like crazy.
              I know people that claim that you shouldn't weigh yourself daily because it is misleading. I disagree, I think you should track your numbers. You shouldn't worry about absolute numbers, the real information comes from monitoring the trend, as well as seeing how significantly your weight can alter from day to day.

              While we are all similar underneath it all, the devil is in the details and the differences can be significant. So, when it comes to your particular caloric requirements, I'm quite sure that they are different from mine. If you monitor your weight and find that 2500 kcal is insufficient for you, then that is your truth. Nobody can dispute it. For me, I could also probably get away with 2500 kcal daily and maintain weight stability, I just dissipate more energy as heat at that level.

              -PK
              My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

              Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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              • Originally posted by Owly View Post
                I was surprised at that calorie total too. I'm a woman and (I think) much smaller than pklopp with less lean mass, and likely not younger than him, and I eat that much or more to maintain (or I'm vastly overestimating my intake). It's a good illustration of how calculated TDEE numbers can be very far off a given person's actual daily requirements.
                Just to make sure we're all on the same page. The 2000 kcal is BMR ... so, breathing, heart beating, kidneys filtering, occasional blinking, but not much else. If I were comatose, that's what it would take to keep me weight stable ( not accounting for muscular atrophy due to disuse here ) at least initially.

                So, in terms of METS, this is a 1.0 METS activity level throughout the day. To put that into perspective, writing is a 1.8 METS activity, meaning one expends about 80% more calories during one hour of writing than during 1 hour at BMR ( watching TV ).

                -PK
                My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                • Oh ok sorry I didn't know you were talking about BMR, I thought you were talking about TDEE as, for me, maintenance kcal means what you need to eat to maintain a stable weight in daily life.

                  Thanks for your clarifications
                  Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                  (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                  • Okay, that makes more sense! I eat 2000 to 2500 kcal most days to maintain, but that's including physical activity as a factor (I lift every other day and am otherwise active). I was really shocked that a guy your apparent size and activity level would need less food than me.
                    “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

                    Owly's Journal

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                    • Originally posted by Owly View Post
                      Okay, that makes more sense! I eat 2000 to 2500 kcal most days to maintain, but that's including physical activity as a factor (I lift every other day and am otherwise active). I was really shocked that a guy your apparent size and activity level would need less food than me.
                      With respect to caloric intake, depending upon how efficient your digestive system is, it is quite possible to get widely disparate caloric needs from individual to individual. It also doesn't necessarily relate to efficiency, it can also be a matter of simple eating mechanics. For example, nobody, unless they have python genes, swallows their food whole. If they were to do that, then the food would simply stay for a extremely prolonged time in the digestive system. The more you chew your food, the better ( i.e. more efficient ) the downstream digestive process becomes. Digestion is largely a matter of surface area, so, identical twins eating the exact same diet, with the exact same caloric expenditure, but one chewing twice as much as the other would get different results, with the one one that chewed more thoroughly either gaining more or losing less overall mass.

                      -PK
                      My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                      Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                      • Originally posted by pklopp View Post
                        I know people that claim that you shouldn't weigh yourself daily because it is misleading. I disagree, I think you should track your numbers. You shouldn't worry about absolute numbers, the real information comes from monitoring the trend, as well as seeing how significantly your weight can alter from day to day.....
                        I totally agree. I weigh myself every morning AND every night. It's a bit of a habit left over from competition days, but it gives you insight as to how you are responding to your current lifestyle. I can tell you how much weight I'm likely to drift overnight based on my days activity and what I ate. I can tell you how much is likely to be fluid retention from carby meals or fluid loss from too much drinking. Its just one measurement, but its so simple that there is no reason not to make use of it.

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