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  • #16
    Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
    I'm absolutely certain that goat's cheese is superior to meat for promoting health and longevity.
    It certainly makes life worth living anyway.

    If they really do eat meat 5 days a month and fish twice a week that's 13 days a month that have flesh food. The rest of the time they are consuming dairy products. I will bet that they don't throw out any of the pig that they slaughter and therefore are likely consuming its fat most days or using its fat, bones and feet to flavor and thicken foods. So it's likely at meals where a portion of meat is not visible on the plate, there is animal product on the plate. I wouldn't say these people are either vegetarian or vegan and I'd say that this is a perfectly Primal way of eating that you could emulate if you would like to.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Neely View Post
      Edit: also can I just ask what SAD is? I might be being dim but I can't work out what it refers to - other than it is connected to the western diet.
      SAD stands for Standard American Diet. It's a combination of the government-approved food pyramid and junk food.

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      • #18
        Also, if you read the whole thing, you'll find that in the surrounding islands with virtually identical diets, they do NOT get the same longevity bonus.

        Diet, genetics, sunlight, lifestyle...there are so many factors at work here.

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        • #19
          An interesting read, lots of clean food and health fats and dairy (even though the writer say dairy is bad) and a good relaxed lifestyle BUT NOT vegan/vegetarian by a long shot.
          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            It certainly makes life worth living anyway.

            If they really do eat meat 5 days a month and fish twice a week that's 13 days a month that have flesh food. The rest of the time they are consuming dairy products. I will bet that they don't throw out any of the pig that they slaughter and therefore are likely consuming its fat most days or using its fat, bones and feet to flavor and thicken foods. So it's likely at meals where a portion of meat is not visible on the plate, there is animal product on the plate. I wouldn't say these people are either vegetarian or vegan and I'd say that this is a perfectly Primal way of eating that you could emulate if you would like to.
            +1

            I am sure that using the fat, bones and feet from pigs to flavour and thicken foods as you say is very beneficial. They will also do the same with fish heads when cooking fish stews and soups, etc. Thus, in addition to eating whole animals such as calamari, mussels and prawns, they are obtaining superior whole-animal nutrition from other sources.

            I expect that their egg consumption is relatively high too.
            F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Damiana View Post
              Beautiful weather, physical labor, quality of life, socialization that is so common in Greek culture, fresh local food, yep, I can see how they're long-lived.
              I agree that these factors are also very important. I've yet to find anywhere more relaxing for a holiday than the Greek islands, and find the Greeks very friendly and natural people. I wish my attempts at learning Greek had been more successful!
              F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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              • #22
                If these are the same folks outlined in Blue Zones, the goats cheese they consume is called pecorino cheese. Not sure if tht is correct spelling. In any event it apparently contains significant amounts of omega 3s compared to other cheeses.

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                • #23
                  To reduce this research down to "a mostly vegan diet" is absurd. Please re-read the article and focus on the conclusions that might be out of the scope of your own lifestyle. Beyond the fact that they consume meat and dairy is that the researcher shows several areas that may increase their lifespan: active social life, napping, locally-grown foods, wine, exercise including walking hills and gardening.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by twa2w View Post
                    If these are the same folks outlined in Blue Zones, the goats cheese they consume is called pecorino cheese. Not sure if tht is correct spelling. In any event it apparently contains significant amounts of omega 3s compared to other cheeses.
                    Pecorino is an Italian sheep's cheese. Its name means 'little sheep'. I expect that most of the goat's cheese consumed in Greece is feta, along with some local matured goats cheeses not dissimilar to pecorino.

                    That's interesting what you say about the omega 3 content - I expect that's due to the goats being pasture-fed.
                    F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                    • #25
                      Another interesting thing about the population mentioned in the article is that in the 40's the Greek gov't exiled thousands of communists and radicals to the island. Philosophically they maybe quite different from those on near by islands.
                      Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                      • #26
                        Fish twice a week is actually quite a lot of meat, so I wouldn't call it vegetarian/vegan. I approve of fish twice a week.
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                        • #27
                          So they eat meat several times a month, consume fish on a weekly basis, and they also regularly eat dairy? Tell a vegan that this is close to a vegan diet and they'll start foaming at the mouth and spilling their carrot sticks all over the floor. It is interesting though, and I assume it's the food quality, their lifestyle, and genetic factors that allow them to live so long.
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                          • #28
                            I've read that greek mountain herb teas are ridiculously healthy - there's published pubmed studies on greek mountain teas health benefits.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by camel View Post
                              I've read that greek mountain herb teas are ridiculously healthy - there's published pubmed studies on greek mountain teas health benefits.
                              It's my understanding that the Greeks eat an abundance of fresh herbs in general.

                              I brought back one of those fabled teas from Crete a few years ago - it contained several flowers as well as herbs and I found it delicious and very energising.
                              F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                                It's my understanding that the Greeks eat an abundance of fresh herbs in general.

                                I brought back one of those fabled teas from Crete a few years ago - it contained several flowers as well as herbs and I found it delicious and very energising.
                                Anyone know where to get the herbs online? Or can they only be found at the source?

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