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  • #16
    Smoking aside, when you talk to Japanese about cancer it is almost always stomach cancer that is referred to as the number one cancer. Japanese doctors I have talked to attribute it to salt in the diet. A traditional meal would be fish (if soy sauce=salt), miso soup (salt), pickles (salt), and some sort of veggies with soy sauce or miso (salt) and rice. Lunch out might be ramen (salt) or other noodles (salt), etc. I was recently diagnosed as gluten intolerant and I NEVER eat out in Japan now because everything has soy sauce in it.

    As far as carb consumption goes, yes, there is a lot of rice eaten but have you seen the size of a bowl? A Japanese rice bowl is the size of my hand cupped. That's it. When I see the bento lunches that the office ladies have it is soooo small. So portion is certainly different compared to a Western diet.

    Cancer rates are going to be catching up to the West due to diet changes. Lots more junk and fast food consumed now.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
      So the Japanese are simply less genetically predisposed to lung cancer than other races are? It can't be THAT simple...
      Dude - use the sarcasm tags. It can be THAT simple (no sarcasm).
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      • #18
        Well, I'm not surprised that a traditional diet, heavy in fish and vegetables and low in junk food, equals a low cancer rate. There's not much of a mystery there to me. Yes rice is consumed, but mainly white rice which is thought of as the best of the worst in terms of anti-nutrients anyway. When you think about it, the traditional Japanese diet, at its core, is basically a paleo diet with a little white rice thrown it, it's not surprising that the cancer rate is so much lower.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JWBooth View Post
          I think a lot of the more research is pointing to the idea that lung cancer is mostly genetic. Smoking probably increases the risk in people who have the susceptible genes but doesn't in people that don't.
          OMG - can you imagine the shit storm that will be created if legitimate research, i.e., that not funded by big tobacco, proves this to be true?

          I once dreamed that eating steak and butter would be considered healthy and now it is. Maybe someday I can get back my cigarettes - I loved those little suckers.
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          • #20
            explanation is in this article

            Cancer Rates In The USA Compared To Japan

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            • #21
              Good article, Japanese cigarettes are less carcinogenic though?
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              • #22
                Probably because up until recently, there food culture has been higher quality whole foods with plenty of vegetables.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                  I once dreamed that eating steak and butter would be considered healthy and now it is. Maybe someday I can get back my cigarettes - I loved those little suckers.
                  Well, even if further research bears it out, you still won't get a free pass. Anti-smoking campaigns always focus on lung cancer because that's the sexy disease, but the #1 health reason to avoid smoking is heart disease.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JWBooth View Post
                    Well, even if further research bears it out, you still won't get a free pass. Anti-smoking campaigns always focus on lung cancer because that's the sexy disease, but the #1 health reason to avoid smoking is heart disease.
                    I was just thinking this.
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by JWBooth View Post
                      Well, even if further research bears it out, you still won't get a free pass. Anti-smoking campaigns always focus on lung cancer because that's the sexy disease, but the #1 health reason to avoid smoking is heart disease.
                      Not to mention emphysema, increased risk of all vascular diseases, and smelling like shit all the time.
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                      • #26
                        I know, but a girl can dream.
                        "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                        Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                          I know, but a girl can dream.
                          Yep, but a dream it'll have to stay.
                          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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