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  • If i workout in the AM should I be fasting until 6ish pm?

    i like to fast 20 hours or more and eat one meal a day. On the days i workout i do it right before heading to work from 9:30 to 10:45. Should I have something after the workout or is it ok just to continue on my fast until i get home?

  • #2
    Martin Berkhan suggests to supplement with BCAAs pre-workout when training in a fasted state. If a person plans to continue a fast after a workout (typical for us morning trainers) he suggests supplementing with BCAAs every couple hours post-workout. I do this on occasion when I workout around 6:00 AM, and then continue my fast until about 12:00 PM or so. During this time I will supplement with 10 grams of BCAA every couple hours until the fast is over. The reason for this BCAA protocol is to stimulate protein synthesis and metabolism.

    Although, you could do the BCAA supplementation throughout the entire day (until 6:00 PM with your current described schedule), I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. In my opinion, your best bet would be to workout after work at the end of your fast (possibly experiment with BCAA pre-workout), and eat your meal afterwards. I feel that strategy would give you the best results.

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    • #3
      I work out in the AM - about 6 to 6:30 and if I am IFing, often don't eat until 5 or 6 pm with no ill effects. I am not looking for muscle growth though so YMMV. My strength/endurance certainly has never been affected.

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      • #4
        I don't think you should fast. I don't think you should adhere to any set schedule. Why do people overconsume calories?

        Well, part of it is processed foods. Sugars and oils are added to things, which do little for satiety but greatly increase caloric density. Flours and grain products provide little satiety as well, encouraging overeating. But that's not all.

        Schedules are a problem. If you're like me, you probably work 5 days a week. You probably make your lunch the day before in preparation. You make a predetermined portion and put it in the fridge overnight. Then, 12:00pm rolls around and you take your lunch break. You eat your meal. Why? Are you always equally hungry at 12:00pm every day? Let's face it - you're sitting down at a predetermined time to eat a predetermined meal regardless of what your body is signaling. Maybe you don't really get hungry til 2:00pm. Maybe your predetermined portion is too large for you since you've literally been sitting on a chair all day and you haven't worked up an appetite. But I'm guessing you're still eating the whole thing at the same time regardless of hunger - your fate is predetermined this way.

        Now, let's look at it from the other side of the table. Why are you artificially forcing yourself to fast? If you're very hungry, you're just going to ignore it? Constantly snacking is unnatural and unhealthy - I believe this 100%. However, chronic fasting is also a chronic stressor. The reason why grains are unhealthy isn't because they're outright poison. You're not going to die from eating a biscuit. However, they are inflammatory, so over years, the inflammation and trace toxins built up, the condition becomes chronic and a disease develops from a chronic stressor. Chronic fasting leads to chronically high cortisol which leads to problems later in life. Why do you think IF becomes hazardous to so many women? It can lead to lost fertility, chills, hypothyroid...the list is long.

        Occasional fasting is healthy. Not snacking regularly is healthy. But adhering to artificial macro ratios and artificial fasting windows "just because," in my opinion, is not healthy for the reasons outlined above. Some days are just aren't as hungry. You've probably done less activity. Eat less food less often those days. Some days you are very hungry. You probably did something to make it so. Eat more food more often those days. And every once in awhile, go really hungry for a bit, and every once in awhile, gorge yourself til stuffed for a bit. That's really all you have to do!
        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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        • #5
          good info

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
            I don't think you should fast. I don't think you should adhere to any set schedule. Why do people overconsume calories?

            Well, part of it is processed foods. Sugars and oils are added to things, which do little for satiety but greatly increase caloric density. Flours and grain products provide little satiety as well, encouraging overeating. But that's not all.

            Schedules are a problem. If you're like me, you probably work 5 days a week. You probably make your lunch the day before in preparation. You make a predetermined portion and put it in the fridge overnight. Then, 12:00pm rolls around and you take your lunch break. You eat your meal. Why? Are you always equally hungry at 12:00pm every day? Let's face it - you're sitting down at a predetermined time to eat a predetermined meal regardless of what your body is signaling. Maybe you don't really get hungry til 2:00pm. Maybe your predetermined portion is too large for you since you've literally been sitting on a chair all day and you haven't worked up an appetite. But I'm guessing you're still eating the whole thing at the same time regardless of hunger - your fate is predetermined this way.

            Now, let's look at it from the other side of the table. Why are you artificially forcing yourself to fast? If you're very hungry, you're just going to ignore it? Constantly snacking is unnatural and unhealthy - I believe this 100%. However, chronic fasting is also a chronic stressor. The reason why grains are unhealthy isn't because they're outright poison. You're not going to die from eating a biscuit. However, they are inflammatory, so over years, the inflammation and trace toxins built up, the condition becomes chronic and a disease develops from a chronic stressor. Chronic fasting leads to chronically high cortisol which leads to problems later in life. Why do you think IF becomes hazardous to so many women? It can lead to lost fertility, chills, hypothyroid...the list is long.

            Occasional fasting is healthy. Not snacking regularly is healthy. But adhering to artificial macro ratios and artificial fasting windows "just because," in my opinion, is not healthy for the reasons outlined above. Some days are just aren't as hungry. You've probably done less activity. Eat less food less often those days. Some days you are very hungry. You probably did something to make it so. Eat more food more often those days. And every once in awhile, go really hungry for a bit, and every once in awhile, gorge yourself til stuffed for a bit. That's really all you have to do!
            I like your outlooks in all of your post.just sayin
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            • #7
              choco nailed it!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                I don't think you should fast. I don't think you should adhere to any set schedule. Why do people overconsume calories?

                Well, part of it is processed foods. Sugars and oils are added to things, which do little for satiety but greatly increase caloric density. Flours and grain products provide little satiety as well, encouraging overeating. But that's not all.

                Schedules are a problem. If you're like me, you probably work 5 days a week. You probably make your lunch the day before in preparation. You make a predetermined portion and put it in the fridge overnight. Then, 12:00pm rolls around and you take your lunch break. You eat your meal. Why? Are you always equally hungry at 12:00pm every day? Let's face it - you're sitting down at a predetermined time to eat a predetermined meal regardless of what your body is signaling. Maybe you don't really get hungry til 2:00pm. Maybe your predetermined portion is too large for you since you've literally been sitting on a chair all day and you haven't worked up an appetite. But I'm guessing you're still eating the whole thing at the same time regardless of hunger - your fate is predetermined this way.

                Now, let's look at it from the other side of the table. Why are you artificially forcing yourself to fast? If you're very hungry, you're just going to ignore it? Constantly snacking is unnatural and unhealthy - I believe this 100%. However, chronic fasting is also a chronic stressor. The reason why grains are unhealthy isn't because they're outright poison. You're not going to die from eating a biscuit. However, they are inflammatory, so over years, the inflammation and trace toxins built up, the condition becomes chronic and a disease develops from a chronic stressor. Chronic fasting leads to chronically high cortisol which leads to problems later in life. Why do you think IF becomes hazardous to so many women? It can lead to lost fertility, chills, hypothyroid...the list is long.

                Occasional fasting is healthy. Not snacking regularly is healthy. But adhering to artificial macro ratios and artificial fasting windows "just because," in my opinion, is not healthy for the reasons outlined above. Some days are just aren't as hungry. You've probably done less activity. Eat less food less often those days. Some days you are very hungry. You probably did something to make it so. Eat more food more often those days. And every once in awhile, go really hungry for a bit, and every once in awhile, gorge yourself til stuffed for a bit. That's really all you have to do!

                I dont fast for any scientific reason that might possibly be related to weight loss. I do it because from personal experience i like the way it makes me feel and also out of pure convenience. its so much easier to just come home and have a giant meal than to bring something along with me especially when i do have something during the day it just gives me ravenous hunger. I was just wondering about workout days though. On days i do cardio or something i just go about my day.

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                • #9
                  WHEN.

                  When

                  Hunger

                  Ensues

                  Naturally

                  What this means is, you really shouldn't schedule your eating. Just eat when you are hungry. If you're not hungry post-workout, just don't eat. If you are, then do.

                  Eat when your body signals itself that it's time to. Not before, not later. Don't force a fast, but also don't force the eating.
                  "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                  • #10
                    The reason for this BCAA protocol is to stimulate protein synthesis and metabolism.

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                    • #11
                      I work out at 8 am and eat my one and only meal at 7-8pm. Everyday.

                      It just works out this way following my hunger cues.

                      Morning is the only time I can exercise and after that I'm simply not hungry. In the afternoon, I drink a pot or 2 of black chinese green tea, and that blunts my hunger even more. By the time I get hungry is around dinner time. And when I eat, I eat til I'm fully satiated.

                      Have maintained >100lbs weight loss for a few years this way. No problems with putting on muscle and maintaining them.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by brendavilleg View Post
                        The reason for this BCAA protocol is to stimulate protein synthesis and metabolism.
                        Ummmm .... it's actually an attempt at controlling gluconeogenesis from protein substrates. Stimulating protein synthesis when you're not actually eating protein ( i.e. you are fasting ) is a pretty counterproductive thing to do metabolically.

                        -PK
                        Last edited by pklopp; 10-19-2012, 01:33 PM.
                        My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                        Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                          WHEN.

                          When

                          Hunger

                          Ensues

                          Naturally

                          What this means is, you really shouldn't schedule your eating. Just eat when you are hungry. If you're not hungry post-workout, just don't eat. If you are, then do.

                          Eat when your body signals itself that it's time to. Not before, not later. Don't force a fast, but also don't force the eating.
                          This advice is quite difficult to put into practice when you live in a culture where:
                          1. Food is trivially available
                          2. You are bombarded with constant messages expressly intended to increase your consumption of everything,
                            including food.


                          -PK
                          My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                          Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pklopp View Post
                            This advice is quite difficult to put into practice when you live in a culture where:
                            1. Food is trivially available
                            2. You are bombarded with constant messages expressly intended to increase your consumption of everything,
                              including food.


                            -PK
                            agreed, for my own life - with a job - this doesn't really work out. i have an hour of calm that starts at noon, during which, it's quite easy and relaxing to eat. if i decide to not eat then because i'm not super hungry, and then get hungry at 1:15pm when shit is flying around and i'm in the thick of it, i have a problem.

                            i've abandoned W.H.E.N. as a concession to the constraints of modern life. it's just far easier to either eat at predetermined times, or to skip certain meals. i don't mind skipping a meal if it's my choice, but i get quite cranky otherwise, fwiw.

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                            • #15
                              I have a viewpoint similar to ChocoTaco's. I'm wary of forced fasting.

                              I'm a college student, and I'm on campus from 11-9 twice a week. They don't sell anything remotely close to healthy there, which is tragic, really, considering some people live on campus. Anyway, I'll have a big breakfast of eggs and some kind of veggie(s). Then I usually bring along a salad and a few nuts, which I eat once I get hungry, which oftentimes isn't til 5 PM or so, despite doing a lot of walking from building to building with a heavy wheelie bag (I've sworn off backpacks--ow).

                              The period of time from 5 to 9 is the worst. I end up in serious ketosis. My point here is that, on these days, I'm fasting because I have to, and I'm thankful for my slow-ish metabolism; without it, I would NOT be a happy camper come 8:30 or so.

                              Grok wouldn't force himself to fast when food was available. He would cherish his ability to get by when it wasn't. The idea of working out and then not eating all day, or taking some weird protein supplement is not something I would do. If it feels right to you, then keep at it, but I think the reason you're asking us here if it's a good idea is because part of you knows that it could be dangerous. There's a fine line between remarkable self-control and anorexia. Only you know which side of it you're on.

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