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    Ok..i think i understand it

    50 g protein for breakfast and then lunch and dinner with 50 carbs or less total for day

    nothing after 730pm

    questions

    1-can you eat nuts in mid day if needed
    2- i work til 730 pm everynight...eat at 8-830..this ok?
    3- do i have to stop training for 2 months?

    Biggest question-- do i have leptin issues?, can i do this anyway< just incase

    my muscles do hurt a lot at crossfit(fast fatigue) and usuallyv finish last-- recovery from soreness is slow

    i sweat a lot during work out, not sure of anything else-- sometimes i have hunger issues and i cant get rid of my back fat and love handles...----biggest issue

  • #2
    Jack Kruse was a tick that the community burned off quite some time ago. Feel free to do it if you want, but he's kind of an enormous bullshitter.

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    • #3
      Most of what was called 'leptin reset' was really just good eating habits. Eat a big, meaty breakfast as soon as you get up. The big 'test' for leptin resistance was the mirror test--if you look in the mirror and see a fat person, you are leptin resistant.

      I doubt leptin reset is the magic bullet for most people around here.

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      • #4
        Ok..thanks...I kind of felt this was what I was doing anyway...except the huge amount of,protein in morning ---don't get that much

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        • #5
          I think you can get a lot of benefit just having a high protein breakfast (just meat and eggs or just meat or just fish) and then making sure that you go to bed at a decent hour (I'm partial to 9pm) and get up at a decent hour. Kruse's whole deal is about circadian rhythms and I think these two things are the main things to do to get that under control. Now HOW to make yourself go to bed at a decent hour and get up are another story, plus HOW to make yourself eat a meaty breakfast if that's a problem is another story too. But I don't think breakfast has to be so huge. Just generous, without fear.
          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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          • #6
            Eating a big, protein breakfast can be a great way to keep hunger in check, if you have issues with being hungry all the time. I did this for a period of time, and it was a way to keep myself full so that I wasn't obsessing about eating and snacking.

            However, eating too low carb for too long also has the potential for tanking the thyroid, which paradoxically will make fat even more difficult to lose, and you have the potential for developping other problems, likely related to lowered thyroid production (like depression, lethargy, fatigue, coldness, etc...) which is what happened to me. In addition, my experience was that my performance in the gym on low carb sucked. When I started adding back carbs I made huge gains. Everyone is different, some people thrive and excel on low carb, but it's not for everyone, and it may not be good long term.

            For the stubborn fat, my suggestions would be to check out:

            1. Cold thermogensis - this would also probably help with your sore muscle issue.
            (there's an interesting write up on this in Tim Ferriss' book, The 4-Hour Body, and also a thread on this forum.)

            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread56730.html

            I'm thinking you might be IFing already since you mentioned 'fast fatigue', but just in case you haven't tried it,
            2. Intermittent fasting (the Leangains site has a lot of good info on this, plus there were some excellent threads by pklopp on this forum)

            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread27894.html

            3. You could also try Lyle McDonald's UD2, depending on how crazy you want to get with the stubborn fat issue. It has the potential to give you some dysfunctional eating issues, but some people have used it short term with good success. Personally, it didn't work for me (but I'm female, and have a host of weird issues, so I can't always use myself as a yardstick.) Anyway, his Body Recomposition website does have a lot of good information.

            Fat Loss Diets and Dieting | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald
            Last edited by BestBetter; 10-16-2012, 07:03 AM.

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            • #7
              I agree with the protein for breakfast. I usually dont eat breakfast per se, but my first meal of the day that breaks my fast, I like to make it 3 eggs and a serving of salmon or mackerel. Sounds weird, I know, but hits the spot.
              65lbs gone and counting!!

              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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              • #8
                Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                I agree with the protein for breakfast. I usually dont eat breakfast per se, but my first meal of the day that breaks my fast, I like to make it 3 eggs and a serving of salmon or mackerel. Sounds weird, I know, but hits the spot.
                Weird? Not at all. "Salmon benedict" (eggs benedict served over salmon rather than toast) is a VERY popular brunch dish in the states. Your taste buds are far from odd.
                "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                  I agree with the protein for breakfast. I usually dont eat breakfast per se, but my first meal of the day that breaks my fast, I like to make it 3 eggs and a serving of salmon or mackerel. Sounds weird, I know, but hits the spot.
                  That sounds like the best breakfast ever! Do you raise your own chickens/eggs?

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                  • #10
                    Ok maybe not weird around here. But DH looked at it, and he is like, what is this?! I said it is your healthy daily dose of choline & omega 3 fish oil. And he is like no, really, what is this??!! haha

                    I buy my eggs them from the neighbor.

                    I know I probably got the idea here first, but then heard it at PHD. So on the days I am not doing some sort of modified fast/feast experiment, I have started eating 3 eggs w/salmon or mackerel for my first meal, usually between 10 & 12. It goes along well with that "easy, don't have to think about what I am eating" thing.

                    Diets low in choline strongly promote obesity. Therefore, anyone seeking to lose weight should be sure to eat a choline-rich diet.
                    The easiest way to do that is to eat 3 eggs a day and a pound beef liver once a week.
                    Another type of lipid that may be missing from adipose cells are omega-3 fats. Balancing the omega-6 to omega-3 ratio is helpful against obesity, and most people are omega-3 deficient. So eating up to 1 pound of salmon or sardines per week may assist weight loss.
                    Beef and lamb – meats that are low in omega-6 fats – would be good choices for any additional meat.
                    So I thought I would just combine the 2 and get them both out of the way first thing.
                    Last edited by gopintos; 10-16-2012, 12:12 PM.
                    65lbs gone and counting!!

                    Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                      Ok maybe not weird around here. But DH looked at it, and he is like, what is this?! I said it is your healthy daily dose of choline & omega 3 fish oil. And he is like no, really, what is this??!! haha

                      I buy my eggs them from the neighbor.

                      I know I probably got the idea here first, but then heard it at PHD. So on the days I am not doing some sort of modified fast/feast experiment, I have started eating 3 eggs w/salmon or mackerel for my first meal, usually between 10 & 12. It goes along well with that "easy, don't have to think about what I am eating" thing.
                      So I thought I would just combine the 2 and get them both out of the way first thing.
                      I do the same thing but with scrambled eggs and smoked oysters. You totally need to make some hollandaise sauce to pour over your eggs and fish. Easy to make, just egg yolks, butter, and lemon juice...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by otzi View Post
                        Easy to make, just egg yolks, butter, and lemon juice...
                        Sounds delish!! I will have to sometime. My butter consumption has gone down to zero since I switched my macros around.
                        65lbs gone and counting!!

                        Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CDC View Post
                          Ok..i think i understand it

                          50 g protein for breakfast and then lunch and dinner with 50 carbs or less total for day

                          nothing after 730pm

                          questions

                          1-can you eat nuts in mid day if needed
                          2- i work til 730 pm everynight...eat at 8-830..this ok?
                          3- do i have to stop training for 2 months?

                          Biggest question-- do i have leptin issues?, can i do this anyway< just incase

                          my muscles do hurt a lot at crossfit(fast fatigue) and usuallyv finish last-- recovery from soreness is slow

                          i sweat a lot during work out, not sure of anything else-- sometimes i have hunger issues and i cant get rid of my back fat and love handles...----biggest issue
                          I read Mastering Leptin: The Leptin Diet by Byron J. Richards years ago, long before hearing about Jack Kruse (who is often over the top but has good info amid the... ummm...more unusual offerings.) The book had a ton of info about nutrition, too much to follow really, but the main reason I started following the "5 Rules" was to become a fat burner in order to NOT have to eat every couple of hours and to lose weight (lost about 22 pounds over 6 months without any other changes.)Link to 5 rules

                          The idea is to have as long a fasting period as possible before 1st meal of day, thus the not eating after dinner. You could always delay breakfast after a late dinner. Re the not training per JK, if you're pretty healthy it may not matter (but I don't know what the reasoning for that is.) I have never been big on working out so don't know the ins and outs. Re nuts as snacks, sorry no because by eating anything you rev up your "food" fuel system rather than being in "fat-burning" mode. The exception to this may be coconut oil, which is not processed like other foods. If I've said anything incorrectly, I'm sure someone will jump in.
                          Age 55, post-menopausal, primal since August '12 with some dairy, lots of seafood, following PHD and the 5 Leptin Rules. Taking ThyroGold, eating RS and zero wheat with great results. My Primal Journal

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Energy! View Post
                            Re the not training per JK, if you're pretty healthy it may not matter (but I don't know what the reasoning for that is.) I have never been big on working out so don't know the ins and outs.
                            I found JK about the time I found MDA. I remember asking a question on his blog, about working out, and his reply to me was bascially -- try it and see. I think the reasoning was going so low carb and not having energy but I can't be sure. But I had been going lower carb gradually anyways before I landed there, so I was still pretty much chronic cardio, which I hated, so I welcomed any excuse to back off.
                            65lbs gone and counting!!

                            Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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