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    Help,
    I have been eating Primal since March. I have lost 22 pounds. I am a female I am 5' 2" and weigh 110 and my body fat is 12%.
    All the meat I eat is 100% grass fed and finished I eat high quality wild salmon at least 2x a week and tons of vegetables. There is absolutely no grains in my diet. I do eat sweet potatoes on hard lifting days and cycling interval training days. I take a high quality omega 3 supplement. I look and feel great.

    My question is why have my cholesterol lab values gotten worst? Here are the before Paleo and during Paleo results: I am a 36 years old female.
    BEFORE: AFTER
    Cholesterol 159. 229
    Triglycerides 65. 57
    HDL 59. 67
    Cholesterol/HDL 2.69. 3.42
    LDL calculated 87. 151
    LDL/HDL 1.47. 2.25

    Any Helpful comments would be great
    Thanks,
    Amy

  • #2
    Hey guys, everything is like it should be, what am i doing wrong?"

    Also female, bf12%... probably not.

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    • #3
      Looks pretty good to me. Cholesterol is elevated while your losing weight in many instances. See where it is after you have hit ideal weight and remain stable for several months before testing again.

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      • #4
        The straight dope on cholesterol

        The series is up to part 9, but it's it's worth wading through. The only cholesterol value that correlates well - note that I said correlates not causes - cardiovascular disease is particle count. There is much more evidence that arterial disease (the clogging thing) is actually caused by an underlying inflammation, and the cholesterol may be there as part of the body's repair process. That is not yet proven - so don't assume I just gave you gospel.

        I personally want my total cholesterol somewhere between 200 and 240 - because that's the range that correlates with the lowest all-cause mortality.

        BTW - you know where the greatest concentration of cholesterol in the body may be found? In the brain - it's loaded with the stuff. I am not going to starve my brain of a vital constituent.

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        • #5
          First, they used the Friedewald formula to calculate your LDL, and it doesn't work when your Trigs are that low. When your Trigs are low, then you have the large, fluffy particles (good thing) and you can't use the same formula as the guy with Trigs in the 300s because his are small, dense particles (not a good thing - the kind that build up in your arteries). They take up less space.

          Using the Iranian formula, you get LDL of 123.

          But regardless, you are female, and the numbers that work for men do not work for you. In men, there's a sweet spot where their total cholesterol levels are just right, not too high and not too low. It's a U-shaped curve with an optimal number in the middle.

          Not so much for women. We have a straight line, and higher total cholesterol is actually associated with less risk of keeling over. Lower total cholesterol and you up the risk. The study showing that is here. Your Trigs are good, and that's actually a better predictor of heart issues.

          Oh, and here's the link to an alternate LDL calculator. That shows both the Friedewald and Iranian calculations.

          I'm definitely not an expert, but I'm sure someone will chime in with a lot information.
          Durp.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
            First, they used the Friedewald formula to calculate your LDL, and it doesn't work when your Trigs are that low. When your Trigs are low, then you have the large, fluffy particles (good thing) and you can't use the same formula as the guy with Trigs in the 300s because his are small, dense particles (not a good thing - the kind that build up in your arteries). They take up less space.

            Using the Iranian formula, you get LDL of 123.

            But regardless, you are female, and the numbers that work for men do not work for you. In men, there's a sweet spot where their total cholesterol levels are just right, not too high and not too low. It's a U-shaped curve with an optimal number in the middle.

            Not so much for women. We have a straight line, and higher total cholesterol is actually associated with less risk of keeling over. Lower total cholesterol and you up the risk. The study showing that is here. Your Trigs are good, and that's actually a better predictor of heart issues.

            Oh, and here's the link to an alternate LDL calculator. That shows both the Friedewald and Iranian calculations.

            I'm definitely not an expert, but I'm sure someone will chime in with a lot information.
            Are you sure that large fluffy LDL's are ok while small dense ones are harmful? Dr Dayspring and a couple other well known lipidologists say LDL size is not a CVD risk factor, just LDL-P.

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            • #7
              You should have a new blood test done and ask for an APO-B test. As the other poster noted, particle count is a better indicator of risk. My TC and LDL also went up over the last few years. I didn't have a recent test before changing the way I eat so primal eating may not be a factor at all. Dr Dayspring indicates that a small number of people are hyper-responders to cholesterol consumption, but that is quite rare.

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              • #8
                HDL higher than Tri much better.
                LDL as mentioned has been calculated incorrectl.
                Read http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread4723.html
                Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Artbuc View Post
                  Are you sure that large fluffy LDL's are ok while small dense ones are harmful? Dr Dayspring and a couple other well known lipidologists say LDL size is not a CVD risk factor, just LDL-P.
                  Supposedly the large fluffy particles don't stick to the artery walls as easily as the small ones which .

                  Again, not a scientist, but that has been the consensus unless something has come up very recently that I hadn't heard.
                  Durp.

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                  • #10
                    LDL is essential to transport cholesterol to the body. Every cell in your body needs cholesterol it has to get there some how. The body is not in the habit of creating essential "stuff" that is bad for it. It often gets it wrong if diet is bad, inflammation etc but not in a healthy well fed body.
                    No one is going to say Yes or No you will need to read the research and decide for yourself.
                    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                    • #11
                      Because eating meat constantly will increase cholesterol levels. Go veggie for a week and eat fruit. Don't worry fruit will not get you fat!
                      Last edited by Barefoot Gentile; 10-07-2012, 12:30 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by acafer View Post
                        Help,
                        I have been eating Primal since March. I have lost 22 pounds. I am a female I am 5' 2" and weigh 110 and my body fat is 12%.
                        All the meat I eat is 100% grass fed and finished I eat high quality wild salmon at least 2x a week and tons of vegetables. There is absolutely no grains in my diet. I do eat sweet potatoes on hard lifting days and cycling interval training days. I take a high quality omega 3 supplement. I look and feel great.

                        My question is why have my cholesterol lab values gotten worst? Here are the before Paleo and during Paleo results: I am a 36 years old female.
                        BEFORE: AFTER
                        Cholesterol 159. 229
                        Triglycerides 65. 57
                        HDL 59. 67
                        Cholesterol/HDL 2.69. 3.42
                        LDL calculated 87. 151
                        LDL/HDL 1.47. 2.25

                        Any Helpful comments would be great
                        Thanks,
                        Amy
                        Your cholesterol panel has changed, but by no means is it 'worse'. Do some reading (not just conventional medicine) and see what this is all about. Triglycerides are down. HDL up. Those are positive signs.

                        Congratulations on the weight loss and other success.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Barefoot Gentile View Post
                          Because eating meat constantly will increase cholesterol levels. Go veggie for a week and eat fruit. Don't worry fruit will not get you fat!
                          Why would any sane person worry about high cholestorol if HDL is up the Triglicerides are down and the LDL was calculated incorrectly, and the LDL they have is big and fluffly like they want?
                          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                          PS
                          Don't forget to play!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PHaselow View Post
                            Your cholesterol panel has changed, but by no means is it 'worse'. Do some reading (not just conventional medicine) and see what this is all about. Triglycerides are down. HDL up. Those are positive signs.

                            Congratulations on the weight loss and other success.
                            This.
                            Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                            Why would any sane person worry about high cholestorol if HDL is up the Triglicerides are down and the LDL was calculated incorrectly, and the LDL they have is big and fluffly like they want?
                            Indeed. The OP's cholesterol is nothing to worry about.
                            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                            Griff's cholesterol primer
                            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                              Supposedly the large fluffy particles don't stick to the artery walls as easily as the small ones which .

                              Again, not a scientist, but that has been the consensus unless something has come up very recently that I hadn't heard.
                              Peter Attia's series addresses this - but the section that addresses i directly the most is in here:

                              The straight dope on cholesterol

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