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  • Yeah, it's not magic or anything, they just make *me* so full I can't
    barely stand it.

    And, I must say, that I've ditched all fruit for now as well.

    Fructose hates me.

    I think if I would have hoarked a banana after the potatoes I would have
    been hungry shortly afterwards as well. Even though they're mostly glucose,
    doesn't matter, still make me starving. Barely yellow, super yellow, green -
    didn't matter. STAR-VING an hour later.

    I actually tried the all fruit thing a few years ago and gained weight even
    in a deficit.

    I think boring ass potatoes with just salt are going to be my ticket to
    satiation.

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    • Why the banana? This is a potato only diet. Just potatoes. Nothing else.
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      • From what I've been reading, I think that the blandness/food reward issue is one of the major reasons this works. If you start adding foods you add variety and your body just doesn't get the same message.
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        • Originally posted by NourishedEm View Post
          From what I've been reading, I think that the blandness/food reward issue is one of the major reasons this works. If you start adding foods you add variety and your body just doesn't get the same message.
          Yeah? It's not the whole super low calorie thing? Not to say food reward doesn't matter, but this is just an easy, satiating (for most people) way to restrict calories. Kind of like ketosis's evil twin.
          Last edited by Timthetaco; 10-19-2012, 06:37 PM.

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          • Of course I'm not saying that the calorie deficit isn't important, notice I said that the palatability issue was one of the reasons. But there are too many stories of people who don't achieve weight loss with normal calorie restriction, I'm one of them. I think there's more to it than calorie restriction alone.

            We don't have much data from others yet, but Otzi has kept the weight off every time he's attempted this. For mine, whenever I've attempted massive caloric restriction, I gain all the weight back with interest when returning to normal intake.
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            • Originally posted by NourishedEm View Post
              From what I've been reading, I think that the blandness/food reward issue is one of the major reasons this works. If you start adding foods you add variety and your body just doesn't get the same message.
              I agree that the food reward thing has something to do with it. It's interesting that otzi keeps it off. He did post another thread full of links on why it works. I think last year there was a big food reward thread where people were trying all bland foods to test the whole food reward thing. I don't remember what the outcome was.
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              • Originally posted by Beachspirit View Post
                This is what Otzi posted in the beginning of this thread. "This works in exactly the same way ketogenic diets work. Your body can only use two things for fuel: Fat and Carbs. In ketogenic diets, you are completely carb-starved, so you burn body fat. In the potato diet, you are completely fat-starved, so you burn body fat. Your body doesn't burn protein for energy per se, it uses the amino acids contained in the protein as building blocks for life-processes and rebuilding muscle etc... Potatoes and rice have all the amino acids you need for life.

                the reason this works better than normal calorie restriction with a diet of protein-fat-carbs is that your body will process the simple starch first, then look for other fuel and find only body fat. The simple starch is processed very fast in the gut and not the liver like sugar, protein and some fats. If you have blood sugar issues, this will actually help you. If anyone has a blood glucose meter, do some testing while eating potatoes, my FBG dropped from 100 to 90 and stayed there. After several months of paleo, it crept back up to 103 it is now 90.

                Another reason this works, is that the micro flora in your gut responds very well to simple starch. It responds very well to the easily digested potato and it's signaling is vastly improved. I start getting gassy about day 3 and it goes away by about day 6. If you peel the potatoes this won't happen as badly, this happens because there are undigestable enzymes in the peelings that are dealt with in the large intestine in a gas-producing way."
                I'm not picking on BeachSpirit here, not shooting the messenger, I'm aiming squarely at the information provided in the quote...
                1. the body can oxidize all macronutrients for energy, protein most certainly included. Branched chain amino acids can be directly oxidized, whereas other amino acids undergo gluconeogenesis. It is for this reason that medically supervised ketogenic diets are very tightly controlled for protein. In fact, I believe the models used in determining the appropriate level of protein to include in such a diet assume that protein is slightly more likely to be processed via gluconeogensis than to be incorporated into new proteinaceous tissues. The actual coefficient there is on the order of 58%, I believe. Once converted to glucose, it should go without saying that protein is oxidized as though it were a carbohydrate.
                2. the oxidation of macronutrients is entirely and solely dependent on concentration gradients. Specifically, your body will oxidize whichever macronutrient is most abundant. If you eat predominantly protein, then you will predominantly oxidize protein. The same holds true for fats and carbohydrates. There is no magic in simple carbohydrates with respect to metabolism.
                3. it follows from #2 that if you are driving your metabolism with carbohydrates, you would expect your FBG to be lower precisely because your body is actively oxidizing glucose thereby lowering circulating levels. Conversely, were your body to be oxidizing say, fats, as during a ketogenic diet, you would expect FBG to increase.

                  In ketogenic diets, you are completely carb-starved, so you burn body fat. In the potato diet, you are completely fat-starved, so you burn body fat.
                4. the key point there would be "starved", that is, having created a caloric deficit, your body resorts to oxidizing its endogenous energy stores, a.k.a adipose fat tissue, to make up for the energy shortfall. This, of course, is completely independent of the magic of potatoes.


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                • Originally posted by otzi
                  I appreciate the well thought out reply. You are right, there is no magic. Just starvation.

                  One area we differ in opinion on, is protein being used for fuel. When you ingest starch, it can be used directly for energy production. The starch is converted to glucose with the use of amylase in the saliva and stomach, it rapidly incorporates into the circulatory system prompting an almost immediate insulin response which places the glucose where it needs to be--liver, muscles, organs, and it is used in the krebs cycle with no further modification. Starch can then, be used indefinitely as a primary food source. Protein on the other hand, can't. People become violently ill and may die if fed a diet consisting only of protein.

                  To use an amino acid for energy, your liver first removes its nitrogen, as this element is not involved in energy production and incorporates the nitrogen into urea for excretion. The remainder of the amino acid, if it is a glucogenic amino acid, undergoes a process called gluconeogenesis, in which glucose is synthesized from non-glucose molecules. Glucogenic amino acids can convert into an intermediate compound, such as pyruvate, that enters the gluconeogenesis cycle to synthesize glucose your cells can use for fuel.

                  If you consume sufficient calories, as well as more dietary protein than your body requires at any given time, you can use the excess protein as energy in an indirect way. In this case, once nitrogen is removed, ketogenic amino acids convert to fatty acid precursors, which your cells use to manufacture fatty acids that move to your adipose tissue for long-term storage. You can then call on the fat stores to provide fuel for your cells when dietary calories are in short supply.

                  Not that this makes a hill of beans--or potatoes--but I do think there is merit to a prolonged feeding on starch for very rapid fat-loss. This is way more effective, in the short term, than IF'ing, ketosis, or other starvation diets that include fat and protein.

                  Fat can also be used directly, but not ingested fat--only stored fat, probably adding to the success of ketogenic diets, but fructose and protein need complex interactions before being used as fuel.
                  It doesn't sound to me like we are really disagreeing, but rather splitting some biochemical hairs.

                  Nevertheless, we need to elucidate a mechanism, apart from our impressions or intuitions, as to why prolonged feeding on starch would induce very rapid fat loss. The mechanism is most surely caloric deficit. That and nothing else.

                  If we are somehow attributing more "fatburniness (TM)" to starches, then we need to outline how starches metabolize differently than other nutrients.

                  -PK
                  My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                  Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                  • Down 1.4 lbs today! Yeahhhh! I ate three potatoes for lunch, three potatoes for dinner and walked slow for 1 hour. I still love Tatars!

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                    • Otzi - Quit talking science, stick to results. There's nothing on the internet and nothing in the diet books that talk about an all-starch diet plan. I've seen some studies where they feed people high carbs, or even lots of potatoes, but always accompanied with fat for some reason. As far as I can see, nobodies done 'just potatoes'.

                      Magic, science, starvation, whatever...this trick works! I went from 1-14 October eating only potatoes at the rate of roughly 1200 calories a day which is about half or less of my normal diet. During that time I lost 12lbs. Almost a week later, I have lost an additional 2lbs after resuming my normal eating.

                      I had been gaining weight prior to the potato feasting, slowly but surely. As Otzi says, this works better than IF, alternate day fasting, carb refeeds, or pure calorie restriction--which I have all tried this past year to turn the tide on my weight.

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                      • Love this thread, I honestly don't think that I could go two weeks on just potatoes, I love the way that I eat now. However, I am going to give it a go Monday and Tuesday every week for the next four-six weeks and post my results. My weight loss has slowed considerably and I would like to lose another 13-14 lbs to get to my ideal weight. Will post stats on Monday morning, hopefully will go and buy a thermometer tomorrow and record that too. I realise that it won't work as well as going the whole 14 days... but will be interesting to see what happens!

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                        • After lurking on this thread since it started, I'm ready to give it a go. Tomorrow will be all potatoes. Today is mostly potatoes, but I took a leg of lamb out to thaw 2 days ago, and I really have to cook it today. I had really mushy hashbrowns this am, along with raw chocolate milk my local farm makes. I am simmering some potatoes with onions and rosemary in a little water which I will eat with a little organic ketchup. Tonight, a little lamb with more rosemary potatoes and milk. Tomorrow, just potatoes.

                          Starting weight: 177. Height 4ft 9 in. I am one of those unfortunate people for whom primal has equaled no weight lost so far since June. Maybe this will help. Nothing else has worked...cant hurt.
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                          • Originally posted by tatertot View Post
                            Otzi - Quit talking science, stick to results. There's nothing on the internet and nothing in the diet books that talk about an all-starch diet plan. I've seen some studies where they feed people high carbs, or even lots of potatoes, but always accompanied with fat for some reason. As far as I can see, nobodies done 'just potatoes'.

                            Well there is, but, he's thought of the devil 'round here - so, not advocating his book or what
                            he preaches to eat, but there *is* a book out there.

                            The Starch Solution: Eat the Foods You Love,Regain Your Health,and Lose the Weight for Good!: John McDougall,Mary McDougall: 9781609613938: Amazon.com: Books


                            *NourishedEm* - I totally agree with the low food reward thing - that's for damn
                            sure.

                            Potatoes do the trick for keeping you full, you get there fast, however, you don't
                            want to keep on eating, like you would with something that was totally delicious.

                            But yeah, all in all, doesn't matter what makes it work. I couldn't give two shits
                            about the "science" either. Even if there isn't a lick of it.

                            Potatoes keep me from being hungry for a LONG period of time. Had my potato yesterday
                            at 12pm, and didn't eat dinner until 7pm.

                            Whatever it is, I'll take it.

                            Julie

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                            • Just an update. Down 2.5 pounds in 2 days! I will be out of potatoes by tonight or tomorrow morning though so I may take a day or two off and resume for a few days next week. I'm kind of a fan of cycling on and off of this tater feast. Its working well so far as long as I keep myself supplied with plenty of potatoes throughout the day.

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                              • Hi Otzi,
                                I'm calculating about 850 calories with 2 medium potatoes for lunch and 3 medium potatoes for dinner. However, you've said eat until you're hunger is satisfied. Do you think calories really make a difference and what if we wanted a little snack of potatoes at 9:00 pm or so. Do you think we need to keep our eating hours before 6-8 pm? I hoping you've experimented with it to save me from gaining or slow losses.
                                Thanks so much for letting us in on this!

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