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  • Originally posted by otzi
    If I was relatively new to Mark's Daily Apple, and saw this thread, I would think this was very unhealthy and bordering on eating disorder.

    However, this potato diet is simply a short-term, fat-busting plan. Not meant for long-term at all. I resisted it for months when I first heard the idea because I was a 'Primal Fat-Eating Beast'. I hadn't eaten starch in years. The thought that starch could do what fasting, ketosis, and counting calories couldn't do was very foreign to me. I went through 2 cycles of this and had some close aquaintances try it also. The results are very predictable and repeatable. I was reluctant to post about it here for fear it wouldn't work on some or people would want to try it long-term.

    Eating potatoes has it's own built-in safeties...potatoes on their own are very boring to eat, it's hard to overeat, and turning this into a months-long diet would be pretty darn hard.

    I think there is evidence to show that a diet high in starch, but low in calories is handled differently by the body than a high fat or protein, low calorie diet. Low starch/Low calorie is a huge stressor on the body since all glycogen has to come from advanced digestive processes in the liver and not simply absorbed in the gut.

    I think 2 weeks is the max anyone should do this, and maybe 2-4 times a year. I also think that the Primal Blueprint Diet as outlined by Mark Sisson with big-ass salads, bone broth, organ meats and seafood is a very, very healthful long-term way to live.
    I am definitely not new and this sounds very disordered to me.
    “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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    • Originally posted by otzi
      I resisted it for months when I first heard the idea because I was a 'Primal Fat-Eating Beast'.
      That is why I hadn't gone back to trying it, even though I had success with it almost 20 years ago because I was trying to eat high fat-low carbs as suggested, but eating lots of fat was not helping my weight loss efforts. Kudos to those that can, but for me, it just wasnt working. I think it will be just fine once the weight is gone, but not for my losing weight.

      But my life completely changed after that and the good potato turned into lots of fast food & french fries instead
      65lbs gone and counting!!

      Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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      • Originally posted by otzi
        Why shouldn't you kiss in a potato field? Potatoes have EYES! We used to tell that joke when I was a little kid. Couldn't resist.
        . . .
        But unless they're both (the 2 kissers) ostriches with their heads in the ground, how would those potato eyes see?

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        • Originally posted by liza View Post
          But unless they're both (the 2 kissers) ostriches with their heads in the ground, how would those potato eyes see?
          You'd better not tell that joke in a corn field...

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          • Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
            Do you realize that 400 calories in a day is called starvation diet and is often seen in cases of anorexia nervosa ?
            Anorexia nervosa is a complex topic involving psychological, psychiatric and emotional factors. To compare/contrast a 7-10 day potato feast/fast project against the complexities of a serious disease, Anorexia Nervosa, is inappropriate and has no place here.

            I'm surmising that the few of us that have chosen to participate in this 'fun project' are healthy, able-minded and bodied individuals who operate with sound judgement in whether to continue in this experiment, or switch over to a porterhouse steak tonight. I'm trying to reduce a pooch on my tummy likely resulting from 3 pregnancies and the creation of 4 healthy children.

            On the other side of the scale, I would suggest that it's the over abundance of unhealthy, processed foods that are the greater danger to the human species, in some areas of the world.

            Dear God, I'm slim enough, but I know that I've still got enough body fat to survive the next 60-90 days without ANY food! Seven days of potato-fasting makes me no more Anorexic than a Tyranosaurus.
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            Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
            Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

            Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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            • Originally posted by Owly View Post
              I am definitely not new and this sounds very disordered to me.
              I clicked on the little ad box in the corner, for a Primal meal replacement and it is 181 calories. It does have more protein than a tater. A BCAA would probably take care of that if I were concerned about that. But the tater has less fat (zero) and I need to cut the fat so I can lose weight. And I just bought 10lbs of taters on sale for $2.
              65lbs gone and counting!!

              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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              • This seems no more healthy a way to lose weight than the cabbage soup, master cleanse, or other fad crash diets and is likely to result in a similar rebound. As adults, of course we all can make our choices for ourselves, but it troubles me to see this promoted here as a healthy weight loss method.
                “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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                • Originally posted by Louisa655 View Post
                  Anorexia nervosa is a complex topic involving psychological, psychiatric and emotional factors. To compare/contrast a 7-10 day potato feast/fast project against the complexities of a serious disease, Anorexia Nervosa, is inappropriate and has no place here.

                  I'm surmising that the few of us that have chosen to participate in this 'fun project' are healthy, able-minded and bodied individuals who operate with sound judgement in whether to continue in this experiment, or switch over to a porterhouse steak tonight. I'm trying to reduce a pooch on my tummy likely resulting from 3 pregnancies and the creation of 4 healthy children.

                  On the other side of the scale, I would suggest that it's the over abundance of unhealthy, processed foods that are the greater danger to the human species, in some areas of the world.

                  Dear God, I'm slim enough, but I know that I've still got enough body fat to survive the next 60-90 days without ANY food! Seven days of potato-fasting makes me no more Anorexic than a Tyranosaurus.
                  +1 for this!! It astounds me how people can turn a small experiment into some sort of crisis for those taking part. Gee, when we consider what most of the population are eating on a daily basis, for years on end, basically killing themselves slowly with HFCS, high omega 6 intake, wheat causing inflammation, high fat/high carb causing potential CHD issues etc etc.

                  Then a few people, who are all very interested in their health and nutrition, following a really good diet, decide to have 10 days of fun, just to see what happens. We are all now potential eating disorder candidates who are going to damage our health, both physical and mental, and lose masses of lean muscle mass in the process.

                  Come on, lets get real, and try not keep things in perspective.

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                  • I'm a little worried that my terrible carbohydrate intolerance is going to make this hard for me. I felt a bit woozy during my lunchtime run. But we shall see. It's only been one meal. Well, two since I am eating one now. Mustard isn't bad on a potato.
                    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                    • Originally posted by Owly View Post
                      This seems no more healthy a way to lose weight than the cabbage soup, master cleanse, or other fad crash diets and is likely to result in a similar rebound. As adults, of course we all can make our choices for ourselves, but it troubles me to see this promoted here as a healthy weight loss method.
                      I think Otzi has made clear his view that this is not a long term healthy diet, and I think we would ALL agree with that, but as a short term hack, it is most likely to cause no harm at all. Again, when comparing it to what the majority do to themselves on a daily basis, with food ,alcohol, tobacco, stress etc, eating taters for a week is probably quite healthy in the scheme of things :-)

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                      • Long term or not, if otzi didn't "explain" this strategy with the "amino acids" thing which is backed by no science at all (Ok then I'll take some proteins and nothing at all for 10 days and, miraculousely I'll lose fat and not any muscle and feel heatlhy !), everyone would have seen this as a stupid "crash diet" and starvation diet.
                        Yes I know for a fact that anorexia nervosa is complicated as I went through it sadly, I wasn't comparing the behaviors of people on this thread to anorexia nervosa suffering individuals, I was just indicating THAT THIS IS A VERY SEVERE CALORIE RESTRICTON and NOTHING MORE THAN THAT, and it doesn't sound anywhere near healthy TO ME.
                        Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                        (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                        • Originally posted by PureFunctionalFitness View Post
                          eating taters for a week is probably quite healthy in the scheme of things :-)
                          Far better than the road I was on. I am lucky in that I started to get a grip on things while I was still in good health, though some numbers were starting to push the limits, but fat alone is toxic enough even without all the other weight related diseases and w/o the added stress of wondering when my luck would run out. And though I have cleaned up my act as far as food goes, weight loss has been crawling since I increased the fat when I went primal in March. The higher the fat, the lower the weight loss. I can't argue or ignore any longer my own numbers from the last 10 months of tracking.
                          65lbs gone and counting!!

                          Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                          • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                            I'm a little worried that my terrible carbohydrate intolerance is going to make this hard for me. I felt a bit woozy during my lunchtime run. But we shall see. It's only been one meal. Well, two since I am eating one now. Mustard isn't bad on a potato.
                            shbikes: Holly Hannah! You found the energy to run while on the Potato project? I consider myself a high, high energy person, but I'm definitely not running on 600 calories per day. I'm hoping to get my race walk in tonight, but that depends if I can get through a couple hundred pages of reading first. No way I feel like running on this deficit. Remember to remain flexible through this fat buster --- it's going to be hard to maintain your active lifestyle while in hyper caloric deficit.
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                            F, 48, 5'10"
                            Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                            Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                            Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                            • We just have to agree to disagree. We are all adults. No one is twisting our arms. I got hungry yesterday and so I also ate some eggs w/my taters and later some liver with my taters.

                              I cant eat the same as the MOAR fat thread, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work for someone else, but I just know it's not for me. I tried it, didnt work but I understand that it might work for someone else. I still go read that thread once in awhile, but for the most part I don't because I dont have much good experience to contribute. I said it wasnt for me and moved on.
                              65lbs gone and counting!!

                              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                              • I agree that this is a great tool to break through that platue etc.... I think what Daydreamer was trying to say to gopintos was that eating 400 calories a day for 10 days can do serious damage to your matabolism. I agree.....you have to at least up your potato consumption so that you are eating in a more normal range of say 1000 to 1200 calories per day. Anorexia nervosa is obviosly not an issue here but if you continue eating 400 calories per day for the full 7-10 days you are going to start seeing some metabolism slow down issues when you reintoduce normal calorie intake again. Your body starts adjusting moving into "starvation" mode about 3 to 4 days into eating less than say 800-1000 calories a day (for women).
                                I see how this "potato feast" can work and I find no fault in trying it out. I had planned on trying it myself today but decided to wait until I can do a full 7 to 10 day potato feast. But I will make sure I am eating at least 1000 calories of potatoes per day as I don't need the metabolism slow down that will happen. I have enough metabolism issues as it is
                                F/37yr/5' 5"
                                SW: 154 March 2011
                                CW: 140 July to Oct 2011
                                PB: 145 gained 5lbs in first 4 months March to July 2012
                                With a combo of PB and IF-ing 5 days a week (1 x 1200 calorie meal per day) I have lost 15 lbs PB/IF = 130 lbs July 2012 to current
                                GW: 120
                                Ultimate Goals ar to be: Happy/ Fit/ Energetic/ Feel great/ Balanced/ cure my thyroid and adrenals

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