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Anyone else think rice eaters are just delusional sugar addicts?

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  • I think we've been through this debate before -- wherein if you eat more fruit than an individual thinks is ok, or more veggies, or tubers, or rice. . . then you are a sugar addict. And then, if you assert information about how addiction works, how some people can consume a given substance and not get addicted (giving a clear example like someone who casually drinks alcohol vs someone who is an alcoholic), then you are told that you are just an addict in denial.

    Yes, I've been on that one before. It also happens with vegans. I remember back in those days when anyone eating meat or cheese was an addict because these substances have "addictive qualities!' and if only these poor addicts could get off the meat, then they would be ok. . . and it was usually all about some form of dietary/moral superiority.

    Second, the issue is confusing here. Are we talking "all carbs = sugar" and therefore there is a right amount of carbs in order to demonstrate that one is not a sugar addict? or are we saying that sweet potatoes and rice are "sugar carbs" and that makes you an addict? Or are we talking about white sugar as an addictive substance? Or all of them. And if you happen to eat the last two and still keep under a certain carb count, does that mean you are ok because you are LC, but not the right, morally superior kind of LC?

    Finally, to clarify my own post, I was talking about my husband and myself. Both of us consume 20% daily intake in carbohydrates. We have one piece of fruit or less per day (generally speaking). That fruit might be berries. Dh consumes about 2500 calories per day, which means 125 g of carbs. On workout days, he finds that having a sweet potato or rice -- not just veggies/fruit -- helps his recovery. He still maintains 125g or less on those days.

    I tend to eat 1500 calories per day before ovulation and after menses, and 1700 calories per day after ovulation and before menses. This seems to help with the hormonal/mental situation, rather than anything else. Eating this way -- and keeping the same ratios -- keeps me lean, happy, and healthy. I also have no PMS/etc symptoms. I just feel more hungry so I eat more. I eat 20% of my daily intake in carbs -- again, usually veggies or fruit -- and this means I get between 75 and 85 g of carbs per day depending upon where I am in my cycle. In the latter half, I'm likely to have a sweet potato once a week or less, and that's typically when we have our monthly thai meal too (usually the weekend before menses, according to my food diary. isn't that interesting?). So, that's two meals of sweet potato or rice (one of each) per month on average, still keeping me low carb.

    Now, when I emotionally eat, I tend to simply eat more of everything. In the phase that I was in from second week of august to third week of september, I was consuming a lot and not moving as much as usual. I had a lot of work to get done, and so I was sitting a lot and moving a lot less. I would work from about 9 am until 8 pm, and then go to bed around 8:30. I ate when I was hungry, which tended to be twice a day under my usual conditions of 16/8 split.

    According to my food diary during this time -- being that I was fully aware of my stress-related eating -- I was consuming an average of 1900 calories per day (regardless of where I was in my cycle), following the same 20% from carbs, meaning that I was getting 95g of carbs per day. Some of these days, I was including GF cookies (raw macaroons, avocado chocolate pudding, and a few GF muffins) -- which in my opinion is definitely off primal/paleo (and unhealthy), BUT according to the diary, I was sitll within this caloric intake and under 100g of carbs per day.

    This would not indicate that I was "an addict who uses sugar as a crutch during stress."

    What it does indicate is that I stress eat (which I already knew -- and I also am an emotional eater), but it doesn't mean that I'm heading out on a sugar (white sugar/wheat/sweets) bender, but rather that simply increasing food all around, and eating more than i'm utilizing. . .which tends to lead to weight gain.

    So, there ya go.

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    • zoebird, i'm pretty sure you freebase store bought hummingbird nectar while twitching on the bathroom floor

      you're addicted
      beautiful
      yeah you are

      Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
      lol

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      • the name would indicate it. I probably just suck the raw molasses right out of trees, too.

        Man, just thinking about that gives me a headache. I've always been sugar sensitive.

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        • Maybe I missed it but hasn't any one asked to see a picture of this Adonis?
          Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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          • ya'll silly
            beautiful
            yeah you are

            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
            lol

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            • This bitch cray
              well then

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              • Wow.
                This thread is still going?
                Amazing.
                I don't eat rice because I really don't care for it.
                I do eat a sweet potato 4 times a week, (after strength workouts and boxing), but other than that, it's fruits and veggies.

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                • Originally posted by naiadknight View Post
                  Wild rice cooked in turkey broth with nut bits and cranberries.
                  bingo. definitely doing that this year. i'm actually making a turkey this weekend for the hell of it. maybe i'll take this idea for a test drive

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                  • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                    bingo. definitely doing that this year. i'm actually making a turkey this weekend for the hell of it. maybe i'll take this idea for a test drive
                    That's not for the hell of it--it's Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend! You can tell people you're just celebrating the strange cultural traditions of your northern neighbours.
                    “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

                    Owly's Journal

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                    • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                      Maybe I missed it but hasn't any one asked to see a picture of this Adonis?

                      Yeah, It occured to me that likely the OP is all talk and doesn't actually have the body to back it up; if he did, he wouldn't be so desperate to brag about it on the internet.

                      But asking him for a picture would likely mean that he takes an image from someone else, so I don't think that would be much proof of anything besides his computer skills.

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                      • Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                        Yeah, It occured to me that likely the OP is all talk and doesn't actually have the body to back it up; if he did, he wouldn't be so desperate to brag about it on the internet.

                        But asking him for a picture would likely mean that he takes an image from someone else, so I don't think that would be much proof of anything besides his computer skills.
                        The Op will photoshop his head on Arnold's body. That would be classic.
                        Georgette

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                        • Originally posted by Owly View Post
                          That's not for the hell of it--it's Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend! You can tell people you're just celebrating the strange cultural traditions of your northern neighbours.
                          thats what i will do then. celebrating the strange cultural traditions of those north of the wall. after all, winter is coming...

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                          • all bashing of the OP aside, i legitimately wish he would answer the questions posed to him by me and other members here. i wish he would tell us his stats, how/what he eats, how long he has eaten this way, before and after impressions, etc. but every single time someone asked him a question, he either made a snarky comment or ignored the question entirely. you're not going to win any friends or sound legitimate in any way by having that approach. you can't tell people how awesome you are, how good you look, etc, then bash the way other people are eating, and refuse to back things up with actual facts. the internet certainly doesn't need any more keyboard warriors.

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                            • What is this Nasi Goreng? I do make a mean Spanish Rice when we have Taco Tuesdays in our house.
                              Georgette

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                              • I went to the Elephant Bar the other day and had white rice for the first time in almost a year of going Paleo and it was interesting. Half-way through eating the rice I found that for the first time in almost a year I was craving desert and wine. I don't think it works for me if my reaction is to instantly want more sugar.

                                I think it could be ok for some people, don't know. I eat 1 or two sweet potatoes each day and I don't get the cravings from them.
                                An optimist is someone who falls off the Empire State Building, and after 50 floors says, 'So far so good!'
                                -Somebody funny

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