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  • #16
    Originally posted by pyro13g View Post
    This is great-- definitely sharing this with the doubters in my life! Thanks for passing it on!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by pyro13g View Post
      I like this part. What they really want to say is 'people will lose their addiction to it, eat less of it, and we won't sell as much.'

      "This thing binds into the opiate receptors in your brain and in most people stimulates appetite, such that we consume 440 more calories per day, 365 days per year. Asked if the farming industry could change back to the grain it formerly produced, Davis said it could, but it would not be economically feasible because it yields less per acre."

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      • #18
        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
        The tests they do for celiac look for full-blown celiac. The allergy tests look for full-blown allergies. So if you have simply an insensitivity you will not get any results from any tests at the doctor's office. The best you can do is what Leida mentioned. Do an elimination and see if there's a difference.

        I do not have any issues with wheat. I could eat some right now and not feel a thing. However, I never knew how much better it was possible to feel until I eliminated wheat and other grains. The difference is like night and day. I feel young for the first time in my life. I feel like I should have felt when I was 17 years old, only I'm 47 now. I feel like leaping and running and jumping for joy all the time. My life before was like swimming through molasses.
        Exactly this.

        I could have said that eating a can of frosting for lunch wasn't harming me 30 years ago, because I felt just fine, but it was still doing damage anyway.

        The tests for celiac only give a positive result if you've pretty much destroyed all of the villi, and the other tests for gluten sensitivity aren't even close to comprehensive, so they're really pretty pointless.

        I didn't think wheat was an issue for me. I had been eating it my whole life, and I'm 47. Then I dropped it and felt so much better. Accidentally ate some ( those $&@# meatballs) and THEN I could see how much they messed with my gut (and skin and nervous system).
        Durp.

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        • #19
          Give this a read and tell me if you still feel Wheat is no big deal.

          Hey Robb, this person said gluten free diets are bogus!

          Cheers,

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          • #20
            I learned my lesson. Feeling depressed about having to give up dairy I decided I would allow myself a little wheat. I got a small loaf of "light" whole grain bread and at a slice or two a day. After a few days I was suffering from gas and constant heartburn. I quit the wheat and it took 2 more days to get over the gas and heartburn. Was I living like that before and just thought it was normal? Or has my system become more sensitive to wheat now that I've been away from it for a while? In any case, no more! That was miserable.
            Last edited by Sunnivara; 10-12-2012, 04:32 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sunnivara View Post
              Was I living like that before and just thought it was normal? Or has my system become more sensitive to wheat now that I've been away from it for a while?
              Probably a combination of the two. :P I's amazing what experimentation can teach us!
              yay!

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              • #22
                Yup. You will become more sensitive after avoiding it for a while. I'm coeliac and my reaction to gluten gets worse the longer I stay GF. Since going primal, my reaction to an accidental glutening is even worse, thankfully its only happened once.

                Even if you tolerate wheat fine, it's still empty calories that spike your blood sugar and are abrasive on your digestive system.

                If you are an adult, and you want to cut wheat out, then go for it, but be aware that your reactions may get more severe the longer you avoid the stuff. Which is probably telling you it's poison really.

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                • #23
                  I gained around 42 lbs after ditching wheat/gluten. If you are sensitive the signs will be obvious.
                  F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                  • #24
                    How does one know if they're sensitive or not if they don't stop eating wheat? I had no idea it was the wheat (gluten). I wasn't even eating wheat every day. I didn't have any gastrointestinal problems on the days I did eat wheat. The doctor never suggested my eczema was caused by wheat- or any other food for that matter. I was totally clueless.

                    I decided that the only thing I had control over was what I put in my mouth. I fasted, cleared my skin, and pinpointed the culprit during careful re-feeding. I guess sensitivity can only be determined by trial and error~ just because you think you don't have an problem doesn't count if you have nothing to compare against.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                      I gained around 42 lbs after ditching wheat/gluten. .
                      What? You gained weight but not eating wheat? I thought it was usually the other way around. What do you think would cause that? Compensation by eating more of other stuff to try and curb cravings?

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                      • #26
                        I can eat wheat, since quitting wheat I've pretty much noticed no difference in my health, OTHER than weight loss.

                        Excluding 2 things, wheat and processed sugar, excludes a TON of what you can eat. It has eliminated virtually all of the empty calories I could eat before. When I eat wheat now, I don't feel any ill physical at all. I just choose not to eat it because I find it easier to not eat ANY processed foods than to pick and choose.

                        Lots of people live long, healthy, great lives eating wheat. Only you can make the choice of what to eat, based on how it makes you feel. I would chose baking it at home, so you know it's just the essential ingredients. Whole Foods has some good Sourdough loaves with very few ingredients...though they get hard and moldy fairly quick.

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                        • #27
                          Wheat/gluten causes auto-immune issues which can range from eczema, hayfever to diabetes, ms and heaps of other diseases which only start to show as you get older. Most people who are gluten sensitive show no gut symptoms at all. Coeliacs are only one aspect of wheat intolerance.

                          Go listen to this neurologist. He knows what he is talking about.

                          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread67241.html

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                          • #28
                            While I wasn't having a sandwich per day, up until very recently, I was allowing myself two slices of sourdough bread per week - that was my splurge with a burger. The only thing I noticed was a little a.m. passing of gas the next morning. No big. I think I've had one six pack of beer in the last six months (though I drink silver tequila with alarming regularity) - nothing from the beer even though its basically a grain drink. And nothing from the tequila ever.

                            So about a week ago, a few friends and I just got into a little party jag. Three days. After eating mostly non carby veggies and animals with a bit of fruit for the last six months, I figured no big deal. Much bread type foods were eaten. I just went to the restaurants they wanted to go to and ordered whatever looked good or whatever the waitperson recommended. I was on a Primal break. Woke up on morning four and honestly, I felt like I was under one of my pillows. I was stuffed up and a weird thing was my skin felt like it was dry, but from the inside. When I touched it, it wasn't dry... I don't know how to explain it - maybe it felt like I'd been dipped in flour? I also felt sluggish and stupid. And in my mind, if I'm going to feel sluggish and stupid, it should be from tequila, not bread/wheat/pizza.

                            Anyway, I got out of bed, went straight to the freezer and threw that silly loaf of sourdough into the garbage. If three days could do that to me, why even bother with two slices per week? That night I had a burger with some avocado, cherry tomatos, and a tablespoon of balsamic on it, and damn it tasted better than anything I'd had in days.

                            So, basically, I've seen the light. Which doesn't mean I'm not going to make baked ziti for xmas or new year because it's kind of a tribute to someone. But every week? Not this girl.

                            The link to the thread with the neurologist - he says that 70% of us have some negative reaction to wheat even if we don't know it. I believe it.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                            B*tch-lite

                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                              Whole grains or any type of grains are very empty calories and there is more going on than just sensitivity just search the threads there are lots of studies showing how bad they can be even if not sensitive to them and funny enough not one study showing they are actually good for you.
                              I am amazed at this claim that whole grains are empty calories. Here is NutritionData's breakdown of 100 grams of whole wheat floor

                              Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Wheat flour, whole-grain

                              Just look at the B vitamins, manganese, iron, selenium, phosphorus, potassium... and compare it to 100 grams of carrots

                              Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Carrots, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt

                              I haven't eaten wheat flour for 3 years - but looking at this, I am tempted to try making long fermented sourdough bread and see if I can tolerate it.

                              What an easy way to get hard to obtain minerals into the diet!

                              I'm not actually going to add wheat back - since ditching grains I've improved asthma, lowered blood pressure, felt SO much fitter, and largely got rid of psoriasis (had totally gone but puzzling little flare up recently!) and lost lots of weight. But whole wheat flour is far far from an empty calorie.
                              Last edited by breadsauce; 10-13-2012, 01:30 AM.

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                              • #30
                                You are comparing a cup of flour with a tablespoon of carrots. If you compare the 120 grams of flour with 100 grams of spinach, I think you'll see why people call wheat/flour/etc. "empty." Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Spinach, raw

                                407 cal vs 23 cal. Much higher glycemic load. Moderate inflammatory vs Strongly anti-inflammatory. Neither is the perfect food, of course. And if you're going back to bread, it might as well be sourdough for the fermentation.
                                "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                                B*tch-lite

                                Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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