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  • Studies that undeniably show high cal/high fat diet leads to weight loss?

    especially those who do little in the way of exercise and eat above and beyond their "maintenance" calories limit.

    are their any?

  • #2
    huh?

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    • #3
      I don't think you quite get the idea of how a high fat diet works in terms of health and weight loss if your asking this. Maybe you should ask that instead.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
        I don't think you quite get the idea of how a high fat diet works in terms of health and weight loss if your asking this. Maybe you should ask that instead.
        No I'm for studies that possibly show that on a high fat diet someone eating well above their maintenance lost weight. Because I'm of the view that calories absolutely must be kept in check.

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        • #5
          I think it varies for everyone. Initially, I was able to eat all the primal food I wanted and lost weight slowly the first month. I think once my body realized I was planning to continue to eat this way, I stopped losing. Once I started logging, and realized I was at about 2000 calories I started cutting back. Now I'm back to slowly losing at about 1500 calories. I only want to either weigh or look like I weigh 125, so only need to lose 6 more lbs. I am sure a heavier person might be able to do the all he/she wants for longer, but ultimately will need to monitor calories in order to reach the goal... Not exactly scientific, but an ongoing experiment...
          Primal since 4/7/2012

          Starting weight 140
          Current weigh 126

          www.jenniferglobensky.blogspot.com

          Jennifer

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          • #6
            Why do you think anyone eating above maintenance could lose weight?

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            • #7
              The question is a tautology. The definition of weight loss or weight gain (once water weight has been factored out) is an energy deficit or surplus. The argument that keeps coming back around is whether the type of calories in affects the quantity of calories out. Not whether eating a lot of butter allows one to defy the laws of thermodynamics.

              In other words, the argument you're looking for proof of doesn't exist, and is nothing but a great example of the term "straw man."
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #8
                Do you think everybody here thinks they can binge on fat and lose weight? Do you think this is what Mark says in his book? If so you are wrong. You should read more about paleo nutrition and get a better grasp on what it is and why it works.
                Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  The question is a tautology....
                  In other words, the argument you're looking for proof of doesn't exist, and is nothing but a great example of the term "straw man."
                  Indeed.

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                  • #10
                    Well... I doubt you will find a study that shows that. I think people get this idea that primal allows them to eat what they want and lose weight, because initially this can happen. But often what's happening is that people aren't eating as many calories as they think they are. They're just feeling more satisfied with the food they're eating, so it may feel as if they're eating more (if that makes sense).

                    I had to try to explain to someone last night that I can't eat wheat products because they make me crave more wheat products, even when I'm not actually hungry. She was of the belief that I should use more self control... my point is that eating primal I don't NEED to use self control ALL THE FREAKIN TIME to avoid over eating. I just eat a meal with enough healthy fats, and voila I'm satisfied for hours!

                    The thing being, I never thought I was eating THAT much before I went primal. It was only after eating pizza the other week, that I realised I probably DID binge more when I didn't need to, because of the desire to eat after eating something that by rights, should have filled me.

                    So yeah, not sure how much sense I'm making . Obviously if you're eating primal and not losing weight (that you need to), or you're gaining weight (that you DON'T need to) you need to take the energy content of your food into consideration.

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                    • #11
                      People that are very overweight generally have an elevated daily energy expenditure. If an obese person is burning 4000 calories a day just by using that much energy by supporting their own body, then technically they can go on a high calorie diet of 3500 and still be in a 500 caloric deficit and lose weight. As they lose weight though, their caloric needs will go down and they'll hit a stall. No one is losing weight if they are taking in as much or even more than they burn though.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                        The question is a tautology. The definition of weight loss or weight gain (once water weight has been factored out) is an energy deficit or surplus. The argument that keeps coming back around is whether the type of calories in affects the quantity of calories out. Not whether eating a lot of butter allows one to defy the laws of thermodynamics.

                        In other words, the argument you're looking for proof of doesn't exist, and is nothing but a great example of the term "straw man."
                        My point...expressed in better words . Or at least spelled out in simple terms better for the OP.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                          The question is a tautology. The definition of weight loss or weight gain (once water weight has been factored out) is an energy deficit or surplus. The argument that keeps coming back around is whether the type of calories in affects the quantity of calories out. Not whether eating a lot of butter allows one to defy the laws of thermodynamics.
                          I think the other key component of it is the satiety/psychological aspect. Even if there's no difference in calories in or out in the short term, some paradigms may be more sustainable than others over the long term, based upon feelings of satiety, and general all-around stress levels.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jsa23 View Post
                            I think the other key component of it is the satiety/psychological aspect. Even if there's no difference in calories in or out in the short term, some paradigms may be more sustainable than others over the long term, based upon feelings of satiety, and general all-around stress levels.
                            I think this part confuses people who are entrenched in CW. I never eat "diet" food or concern myself with how much fat is in my food choices. I also drink maybe a little too much beer. But I also rarely snack or eat grains, so keeping my daily calories around 1300 is pretty easy most days. I'm sure it looks as if I am eating "too much" to someone who isn't noticing what I'm not eating, or who doesn't appreciate what a huge burden grains are in the diet.
                            50yo, 5'3"
                            SW-195
                            CW-125, part calorie counting, part transition to primal
                            GW- Goals are no longer weight-related

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