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  • #16
    Originally posted by otzi View Post
    How to Succeed with the Primal Blueprint | Mark's Daily Apple

    That doesn't mean eat a huge steak and a small salad. It means eat a humongous salad and a big steak. Vegetables should be the bulk of what you eat, although meat will be the bulk of your calories..if that makes sense. According to the Primal Pyramid, fat calories should be less than vegetable calories--most miss that.
    well I don't eat salad...AT ALL! I rarely ever eat anything from the plant world unless its just to flavor my meat. I'm a straight up carnivore!
    Paleo since November 2011 - Carnivore since June 2012
    Before and after pics
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65846.html
    Primal Sucess Story
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65400.html
    Primal Journal
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post955444

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    • #17
      Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
      is this is a typo? i typically eat about 900 cals of fat per day. i'd have to eat 36 CUPS of broccoli to equal that.
      I'm talking about added fat like coconut oil, olive oil, etc... Not the fat attached to the meat. Notice on the primal pyramid how Mark just calls it "meat" not protein&fat. I guess I forget we have a lot of macro counters on here. I find it much easier to be primal by not sweating the macros. I eat meat, with the fat attached. I eat a ton of veggies a day a little fruit some days, and eat very little non-meat type fat mainly coconut oil or olive oil. Makes life simpler that way. I tried counting at first, but found that's all I was doing. Now I just eat. I do think a lot of folks around here are getting too much into the meat thing though, lean meat isn't all that nutritious--just delicious. For nutrients think seafood, offal, gelatin, bone broth, vegetables.

      If anyone is using FitDay to count calories/macros--you can also use it to count nutrients...I think there's more bang for your buck there.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BennettC View Post
        well I don't eat salad...AT ALL! I rarely ever eat anything from the plant world unless its just to flavor my meat. I'm a straight up carnivore!
        That can be OK. Just make sure you aren't eating lean cuts of meat and getting lots of liver, brains, kidneys, fish...like the Inuit.

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        • #19
          I eat liver about twice a week and eat wild salmon a few times a week. sometimes I eat leaner meats for dinner but I get plenty of fat at my other meals. unfortunately I don't have access to brains lol. I drink raw milk too so I get a lot of nutrients from that as well, im basically on a herdsman type diet
          Paleo since November 2011 - Carnivore since June 2012
          Before and after pics
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65846.html
          Primal Sucess Story
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65400.html
          Primal Journal
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post955444

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          • #20
            Originally posted by livkittykat
            Thanks for all the advice everyone! I don't know how to quote multiple people on here yet (I'm still pretty forum-challenged)
            Click the 'Quote +' at the bottom right of each post you want to quote, then click the 'Reply to thread' button at the bottom of the thread.

            Originally posted by livkittykat
            I'm confused now though-- should I not be focusing as much on meat? For example, for breakfast I scrambled together eggs, salmon, peppers and onions, for lunch I had a spinach salad with olive oil topped with avocados and some grass-fed beef, for a snack I had an apple and some almonds, and for dinner I plan on having some chicken and more green veggies. Should I be adding more fat? More vegetables? Less meat?
            Sounds like you are getting plenty of meat, you don't need to focus on getting more. And I think you have enough veggies there too. If you're not geetting enough total calories then fat is the right variable to increase (and it makes things taste delicious).
            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

            Griff's cholesterol primer
            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
            bloodorchid is always right

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            • #21
              Originally posted by livkittykat
              I'm confused now though-- should I not be focusing as much on meat? For example, for breakfast I scrambled together eggs, salmon, peppers and onions, for lunch I had a spinach salad with olive oil topped with avocados and some grass-fed beef, for a snack I had an apple and some almonds, and for dinner I plan on having some chicken and more green veggies. Should I be adding more fat? More vegetables? Less meat?
              This sounds spot on to me! We are all really an experiment of one so what works for one person may not work as well for another.

              How do you feel? If you are feeling great and have no cravings (other than chocolate ... which I figure why not have something you enjoy??!!??), you are doing just fine.

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              • #22
                I have an addiction to 90% dark chocolate sounds like your eating plenty of meat though
                Paleo since November 2011 - Carnivore since June 2012
                Before and after pics
                http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65846.html
                Primal Sucess Story
                http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65400.html
                Primal Journal
                http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post955444

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by livkittykat
                  Hope I'm quoting this right....so would you suggest adding more olive oil/nuts/avocado to increase fat? I need to get more calories but I'm having trouble, I'm not used to meals filling me up so much.
                  Yup, that quoted right. Olive Oil and Avocados are both awesome sources of fat. Our go-to fats for cooking with (usually a stir fry) are from coconuts and cows. Olive Oil and Avocado are the best 'on plate' fats.
                  Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                  Griff's cholesterol primer
                  5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                  Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                  TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                  bloodorchid is always right

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by livkittykat
                    Thanks for all the advice everyone! I don't know how to quote multiple people on here yet (I'm still pretty forum-challenged) but @otzi- I was never much of a grain-eater as a vegan and tried to do the whole gluten free thing when I did eat grains so phasing all that out isn't going to be an issue for me. It's mostly just the chocolate addiction I'm going to have trouble breaking hah. I am at a healthy weight already (actually a bit underweight) and I'm not trying to add in unnecessary starches or anything. I'm confused now though-- should I not be focusing as much on meat? For example, for breakfast I scrambled together eggs, salmon, peppers and onions, for lunch I had a spinach salad with olive oil topped with avocados and some grass-fed beef, for a snack I had an apple and some almonds, and for dinner I plan on having some chicken and more green veggies. Should I be adding more fat? More vegetables? Less meat?
                    Wow--yer hawt! Seriously, though--do what you were doing, minus sugar, veg oil, and flour of any kind (even almond and coconut at first). Eat meat with the fat attached. Eat seafood. Eat liver. Eat as much or as little as you like. Eventually you will find your sweet spot and likes/dislikes, but if all you eat is boneless, skinless chicken breast you are 'doing it wrong' as they say. Read all you can that Mark has written, there is a good 'getting started' section in here somewhere. It's easy. You got the veggie part down, now learn to eat some meat and ditch the bad stuff.

                    Good luck!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by livkittykat
                      Hope I'm quoting this right....so would you suggest adding more olive oil/nuts/avocado to increase fat? I need to get more calories but I'm having trouble, I'm not used to meals filling me up so much.
                      One of the (many) great advantages of this fat approach is that you can eat less in terms of quantities and have the same calories. Fats have 9 Kcalories per gram. Sugars, just some more than 4.

                      When I was a grain eater I always ended up my lunches with my stomach filled to the limit: I felt slow, heavy and tired, just wanted to go to sleep (la siesta). Then, after 2-3 hours I was hungry again. In order not to become fat I had to do chronic cardio: I used to spend my days eating and running.

                      Now I eat less in terms of volumes and feel more dynamic: I could go sprinting soon after eating my foie gras (I guess it is 60% fats, 35% proteins and 5% carbs). And of course, no need to eat in 3 hours from now. Fats burn evenly during the day.

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