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    My girlfriend is a vegeterian and will not be changing her ways any time soon for various reasons (so please no advice on how to change her mind...I've tried and I won't be doing that again). She is however very open to the primal philosophy if it can work for her. She does eat fish and does eat eggs which is a start for sure but does anyone have any advice on whether or not attempting to be primal without the meat is advisable and how best one could go about it? Has Mark taled on the subject? I did a quick search and didn't come up with much. Thanks for any advice/links in advance.

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    Originally posted by mcpheenom View Post
    My girlfriend is a vegeterian and will not be changing her ways any time soon for various reasons (so please no advice on how to change her mind...I've tried and I won't be doing that again). She is however very open to the primal philosophy if it can work for her. She does eat fish and does eat eggs which is a start for sure but does anyone have any advice on whether or not attempting to be primal without the meat is advisable and how best one could go about it? Has Mark taled on the subject? I did a quick search and didn't come up with much. Thanks for any advice/links in advance.
    Personally, I think absolutely she can go Primal. Just have her do all of the other stuff (grains out, increase fat) and increase her intake of wild caught fish and a lot of eggs. Salmon is great. Or small, predator fish like sardines.

    I could be waaaay wrong. But my understanding of what it means to be primal is about not eating the processed, sugary foods with a shelf life and increasing your fat intake, not so much being picky-picky about which animal source your protein comes from. Eat like a cavewoman. She would just be eating like a caveman who lived near water without livestock other than her prized chicken. If she eats butter, even better!

    Mark does an "Is this Primal?" article. Look at hemp hearts or chia seeds to see what he says about them. Protein in those babies! She can soak/sprout lentils to eliminate some of the anti-nutrients.

    She does not need to be 100% Primal to reap benefits. There is a lot of talk about being 80/20 to allow for circumstance and plain old enjoyment. Perhaps her 20% could focus on her favorite protein containing beans/lentils, etc.

    Over time she just might feel awesome! Over time she just might change her mind on trying to add more animal protein or she might not. But, being a fish eating/egg eating vegetarian she'll be just fine as long as she commits to eating this protein daily.

    good luck to her and to you!
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    • #3
      if she eats fish shes not a vegetarian
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      • #4
        Yes, it's fine possible and easy to do, actually.

        I'm making the transition back that direction myself. I'm trying to discern what the best method would be, looking at the macros, so here I am, using fitday to figure it out.

        Breakfast: 3 eggs in butter, two small/med oranges, broccoli steamed in bone broth, cup of bone broth.
        dinner: 200 g fish, pan cooked in butter, big salad of lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, fennel bulb with 2 tbsp olive oil, salt and pepper.
        snack (either before or after dinner): 25 g dark chocolate.

        Outcomes on fitday:

        Total calories: 1513

        Fat: 91.6g
        Carbs: 94.8g
        Protein: 92g

        Daily Percentages: 53% fat, 24% protein, 23% carbs.

        That hits right in the PB numbers.
        Last edited by zoebird; 09-21-2012, 04:12 PM. Reason: numbers off

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        • #5
          definitely possible if she eats fish, eggs and dairy. primal eating is really more about avoiding the bad foods than it is eating certain ones. the possibilities go on for a while.

          you'll have to look it up, but mark has put up some info on this. just search for vegetarian on his front page, and try a search for "carrie" his wife. she does a sort of veggie primal thing with fish.
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60178.html

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          • #6
            Eggs. Sneak bacon in as well. Gateway meat for harder carnivorous pursuits.

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            • #7
              I don't bacon anymore, even though i did about 1-2 times a week for the first nearly 2 years of primal. I stopped eating pork in general, honestly.

              I'm focused more on venison, lamb, and beef, as well as fish. I am considering moving toward a "pescitarian" version of primal.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mcpheenom View Post
                My girlfriend is a vegeterian and will not be changing her ways any time soon for various reasons (so please no advice on how to change her mind...I've tried and I won't be doing that again).
                But, please, lecture her about removing unfermented soy from her diet.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                  I don't bacon anymore...
                  You are DEAD to me bitch!


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                  • #10
                    Seriously, being a pescatarian is a valid Primal strategy. Hell, my own primal way includes several photogenic sea mammals right next to the sweet potatoe & salad.

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                    • #11
                      I think fat intake has to be high though just to be satiated (for me at least). If I do not have enough fat in my diet I get hungry much more quickly, but if I up my fat intake I am much better overall, so if she wants to be able to stick with it make sure she is using enough butter and other fats to make her feel full.
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                      • #12
                        I agree with most of the posters here. Even if the only animal products she eats are fish and eggs, when she reads the guidelines, she can just ignore all the meats w/legs. If her objection to eating meat, is killing mammals and birds, rather than using their byproducts, maybe she will eat milk products? In which case she can also add full fat yogurt and good cheeses to her protein arsenal.

                        Oils are easy: olive and avocado for example. Carbs are easy because she's already eating lots of plant products.

                        Grains and beans are out - remind her that over 85% of wheat, corn, and soy in the U.S. are GMO (she can check this with the USDA website for the exact numbers). Chances are if she's a veg/pescatarian, she doesn't want any GMOs anyway, so this will give her the out she needs to ditch the tofu.

                        I kind of like the idea of this in that I like the idea of all viewpoints being able to get healthy and eat real food.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Legbiter View Post
                          You are DEAD to me bitch!


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                          • #14
                            I agree with most everyone on here too. I'd stress cutting out processed food as priority numero uno! Once that happens, it doesn't seem possible to be that unhealthy.

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                            • #15
                              Primal with extra fish and eggs and no footed-flesh is fine, no issue whatsoever. I'd advise her to get some fish and / or some eggs every day, though. She still might end up under Mark's protein recs but she'd have more than most veggos and some SADs get.
                              If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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