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  • #61
    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    Hey Heather,

    I tried to answer your PM but the system won't let me, says you are not allowed to receive PMs (?)
    I'm sure I have it set up incorrectly - let me check it out...

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
      Hey Heather,

      I tried to answer your PM but the system won't let me, says you are not allowed to receive PMs (?)
      Paleobird - should be good now; thanks!

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      • #63
        As far as spirituality, etc. You can find this anywhere. I think somewhere in the bible it says that the best of us takes care of the least of us. Buddhism speaks to mindfulness. This means that you can find spirituality cleaning a toilet. After all, it is taking the a drudgery, and turning it into something that benefits the family. And yes, that is the only thing that gets me to clean a toilet - I back in, so I don't really care about toilets. But they do need to be clean, and the person who cleans them does improve our lives.

        Fasting is fasting. Cleaning toilets is cleaning toilets. We find spirituality where we will. It's either there or it isn't. One man/woman's spiritual experience is another man/woman's toilet.
        "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

        B*tch-lite

        Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
          As far as spirituality, etc. You can find this anywhere. I think somewhere in the bible it says that the best of us takes care of the least of us. Buddhism speaks to mindfulness. This means that you can find spirituality cleaning a toilet. After all, it is taking the a drudgery, and turning it into something that benefits the family. And yes, that is the only thing that gets me to clean a toilet - I back in, so I don't really care about toilets. But they do need to be clean, and the person who cleans them does improve our lives.

          Fasting is fasting. Cleaning toilets is cleaning toilets. We find spirituality where we will. It's either there or it isn't. One man/woman's spiritual experience is another man/woman's toilet.
          Loved this perspective!!
          65lbs gone and counting!!

          Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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          • #65
            Originally posted by heatherdarbs View Post
            I wish I fit into the typical/common category, since it seems tried and true by so many other people, but Iím left to trust my body to define some of the opposite concepts as successful, for me.
            The first thing I learn't here is the people are anything but typical and when you read any assertions here you should consider whom they are coming from and temper this with published studies and listening to your own body. The majority of individuals here came from some self identified calamity, illness, obesity etc. and often after many desperate attempts at different protocols, so when they find something that works for them, and that includes myself, we often become definitive on what is good or bad, right or wrong because of our own experience. There is a lot of contradictory information because everyones experience is different, there does seem to be an ideal position in eating a primal diet, getting lots of activity and including some calorie restriction protocols like IF, but there is no definitive protocol that I have seen that says this is the best for everyone.
            I think someone said earlier eating dinner at 5pm and breakfast at 9am is technically a 16/8 protocol, is it a true fast, yes it is in my opinion, anything past the 4-5 digestion time is fasting, are there benefits for everyone doing longer fasts, no one really knows, but one thing that everyone agrees on is if it makes you feel bad, don't do it, it may be a physiological response or it may be a psychological response, but either way it is a negative response and it is your body telling you NO and you should be listening to your body more than anyone else including internet forums and doctors.
            "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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            • #66
              Originally posted by gopintos View Post
              If it isnt natural yet, I would say don't force it. It may not ever be natural for everyone. But I wouldnt completely rule it out either.

              My first 24 fast was awful! Then it got better and better to the point of painless and almost standard now.

              My first 48 hour was awful, even more awfuller (to further support the ignorant type haha) Anyways, it was horrible. The next one, not so bad. I expect those to get easier and easier as well.

              The first time I tried to work out just before my 24 hours was up, I thought I was going to hurl.

              I never would have EVER dreamed that I would IF, even if only skipping breakfast. Now, skipping breakfast is no big deal. Sometimes lunch is no big deal. And sometimes even supper is no big deal. I started doing it because, well because I wasnt hungry. Then I learned of the weight loss benefits. Now I am learning more and more about all the other benefits as well.

              It really all is very fascinating.
              I just started IFing and in hindsight, notice 16 hours is perfect, but when I force myself to 18, it doesn't work so well. I'll ease into it, moving forward, as opposed to making myself get through a fast; my goal is to do it naturally, like you.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Omni View Post
                The first thing I learn't here is the people are anything but typical and when you read any assertions here you should consider whom they are coming from and temper this with published studies and listening to your own body. The majority of individuals here came from some self identified calamity, illness, obesity etc. and often after many desperate attempts at different protocols, so when they find something that works for them, and that includes myself, we often become definitive on what is good or bad, right or wrong because of our own experience. There is a lot of contradictory information because everyones experience is different, there does seem to be an ideal position in eating a primal diet, getting lots of activity and including some calorie restriction protocols like IF, but there is no definitive protocol that I have seen that says this is the best for everyone.
                I think someone said earlier eating dinner at 5pm and breakfast at 9am is technically a 16/8 protocol, is it a true fast, yes it is in my opinion, anything past the 4-5 digestion time is fasting, are there benefits for everyone doing longer fasts, no one really knows, but one thing that everyone agrees on is if it makes you feel bad, don't do it, it may be a physiological response or it may be a psychological response, but either way it is a negative response and it is your body telling you NO and you should be listening to your body more than anyone else including internet forums and doctors.
                Agreed. I was speaking more specifically to the success stories, since I've had limited time to sift through the blogs, just yet. I'll get there, in time; I'm being impatient.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by heatherdarbs View Post
                  I just started IFing and in hindsight, notice 16 hours is perfect, but when I force myself to 18, it doesn't work so well. I'll ease into it, moving forward, as opposed to making myself get through a fast; my goal is to do it naturally, like you.
                  I also start to get a little hungry and weak at that point sometimes (I think partially due to the lack of salt), but usually I start heavy lifting around the 19-hour mark, and my sweat begins to pour and I get plenty of energy. At this point, I am able to extend my fast past the 22 hour mark.
                  My chocolatey Primal journey

                  Unusual food recipes (plus chocolate) blog

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                  • #69
                    I didn't read the other comments, but this is what I do. I eat my dinner (usually at about 9pm), then I'm usually not hungry until about 1500 hrs (3pm) the following day. If I'm hungry before that time, I will eat. If I'm not, I will wait until I get hungry. I will usually have coffee with 18% cream during that period though, so I am getting some fat/calories in there.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by heatherdarbs View Post
                      Agreed. I was speaking more specifically to the success stories, since I've had limited time to sift through the blogs, just yet. I'll get there, in time; I'm being impatient.
                      I think we are all sometimes make the mistake of getting ahead of ourselves, I have a number of times in this Primal process, when I started the barefoot thing, it seemed a perfect fit for me, I just jumped straight into the running etc., bit sore for 1st week, assumed just part of the process, ended up with some serious strains throughout my feet, put me out of action for a month, then when I went back, I took it real slow building back up to the same circuit over a month and having rest days in between.
                      The Dietary side is the same, every time we feel like diving in head first, we should stand back and really think whether this is a good idea, maybe some baby steps and test the waters first.
                      Funny Story:
                      Friend of mine was having some life & stress issues and she realised she needed to slow down a bit, so she found herself furiously pushing through a stack of self help books to get up to speed on how to slow down, then the irony struck her, she was hurrying up in order to slow down, that was a turning point for her - just slow down.
                      Most of us take a good 20 years plus to become unhealthy, then expect a full turnaround in a month, that's the conventional western medical protocol, we get sick and expect a quick fix pill will sort it instantly, but the reality is it may well take years of the right stuff so I take it as a lifestyle rather than a cure.
                      My partner has GD, took her 5 years of the "good stuff" to get her thyroid back in operation, the doctors wanted to remove it at the 2 year mark and were adamant that her thyroid function would never normalise.

                      This is not specifically directed at you, just a bit of a rant, see so many posts about impatient weight stalls and people wanting the results right now, I really think they are missing the bigger message, diet is only one small part of it, the minute the vanity bit starts coming through, trim this bit of fat, count the micro's we really are losing the point in my opinion.
                      Listened to a Q&A session with Steve Phinney re weight stalls, much like the posts here, his most common response was:
                      "you've lost 20lb and held it off for 2 years, then be proud of it, 99% put it all back on".
                      "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by windypasswheeler View Post
                        Just checked out your health divas forum, nice! I have been utilizing IF for several months to aid in weight loss and give my body time to repair through autophagy. What I really love about IF is the simplicity: no preparing meals, no cleaning up, no packing food to go to work or on a bike ride. It seems like a natural fit for me and I intend to keep doing it.
                        Thank you, windypasswheeler!

                        We started our health divas blog when we realised that most popular health bloggers are men and research very little on the female population, resulting in inapplicability and contradictions. We don't make money or sell any products, we just do it to help divas out there with appropriate information whenever possible.

                        Discussions like this motivate us to research more and spend quite a bit of time and money on that. In fact, we will run our own research study on women and fasting as soon as we gather sufficient test subjects. We will soon post how to sign up for this in our forum.


                        Best wishes,
                        Health Divas

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                          I also start to get a little hungry and weak at that point sometimes (I think partially due to the lack of salt),
                          I started drinking a little sea salt water. If I know it is a fasting day, sometimes I start with salt water. I couldnt believe how the other day when I had it first thing, it really hit the spot.

                          Originally posted by Omni View Post
                          re weight stalls, much like the posts here, his most common response was:
                          "you've lost 20lb and held it off for 2 years, then be proud of it, 99% put it all back on".
                          I know this is right. Just hard to remind ourselves (myself) of this sometimes. I have been seriously at it for 9 months. Maybe I have another 9 months to go, I dont know, but now that I am doing the right things, I think it should be "NOW dammit!!" But it's nothing but a blip in time when compared to the 20 years of being overweight and not giving a damn.
                          65lbs gone and counting!!

                          Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                            I started drinking a little sea salt water. If I know it is a fasting day, sometimes I start with salt water. I couldnt believe how the other day when I had it first thing, it really hit the spot.
                            No kidding! Usually if I try to fast for longer than 28 hours, I get super dizzy, and I thought it was just because I always do my fast after training, when I am carb-depleted. I just tried my first >36hour fast yesterday including training in the middle, and with half a lime juiced with some pink sea salt, I could go as long as 41 hours (and possibly even longer!) I'm really excited about this discovery
                            My chocolatey Primal journey

                            Unusual food recipes (plus chocolate) blog

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                            • #74
                              When the sugar-sensitive person tries to stop using the sugar that evokes this wonderful beta-endorphin response, the receptors start screaming. This is called withdrawal. The person experiencing withdrawal may feel cranky, irritable, and out of sorts but never knows it was last night’s sugar binge creating the horrible feelings. Cravings loom large as the beta-endorphin receptors scream and relief is as close as carbs fix. The physical dependence on sugar to relieve the discomfort of withdrawal reinforces the need to use more and more. Here’s where the food/sugar addiction grows into a real problem.
                              Nah. I haven't touched added sugar for weeks, fruit for a couple of weeks, and kept my total carbs under 50 g, net carbs under 25 g for 2 weeks. And fasting still doesn't produce the sense of happiness and enlightenment. It produces the negative symptoms. Again, a short 20 min causes endorphin elation in droves. Plus, I lose as much weight fasting as not fasting. My n=1 is: "Fasting Sucks". I think my fasting experience is the same as my cold thermogenesis experience. After doing it for a while I start being phobic of it. I'd try to eat anything, any macros and calories and food quality. But I want to eat something.

                              Also, I wanted to add, that as a woman I am growing tired of being shoulded and musted. You should run sprints. You must not eat >10% from fat or carbs or whatever. You have to IF.

                              Hells, as if we, women, collectively need more enforcement to comply. I dunno about y'all, I feel that as a gender we are too good at compliance as is. Particularly where losing weight is concerned. The whole Paleo/Primal started with bending the rules, breaking away... and what do we do? We try to set even stricter rules and adhere to them even more.

                              And does it work and better than willy-nilly?
                              Last edited by Leida; 09-26-2012, 08:51 AM.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Omni View Post
                                I think we are all sometimes make the mistake of getting ahead of ourselves, I have a number of times in this Primal process, when I started the barefoot thing, it seemed a perfect fit for me, I just jumped straight into the running etc., bit sore for 1st week, assumed just part of the process, ended up with some serious strains throughout my feet, put me out of action for a month, then when I went back, I took it real slow building back up to the same circuit over a month and having rest days in between.
                                The Dietary side is the same, every time we feel like diving in head first, we should stand back and really think whether this is a good idea, maybe some baby steps and test the waters first.
                                Funny Story:
                                Friend of mine was having some life & stress issues and she realised she needed to slow down a bit, so she found herself furiously pushing through a stack of self help books to get up to speed on how to slow down, then the irony struck her, she was hurrying up in order to slow down, that was a turning point for her - just slow down.
                                Most of us take a good 20 years plus to become unhealthy, then expect a full turnaround in a month, that's the conventional western medical protocol, we get sick and expect a quick fix pill will sort it instantly, but the reality is it may well take years of the right stuff so I take it as a lifestyle rather than a cure.
                                My partner has GD, took her 5 years of the "good stuff" to get her thyroid back in operation, the doctors wanted to remove it at the 2 year mark and were adamant that her thyroid function would never normalise.

                                This is not specifically directed at you, just a bit of a rant, see so many posts about impatient weight stalls and people wanting the results right now, I really think they are missing the bigger message, diet is only one small part of it, the minute the vanity bit starts coming through, trim this bit of fat, count the micro's we really are losing the point in my opinion.
                                Listened to a Q&A session with Steve Phinney re weight stalls, much like the posts here, his most common response was:
                                "you've lost 20lb and held it off for 2 years, then be proud of it, 99% put it all back on".
                                I wouldn't mind even if it was directed at me- I make comments to solicit responses that ground me and I always get ahead of myself with diet and fitness. I get annoyed even with myself, when my focus shifts to vanity, so I would imagine it could annoy others. I'm not sure I have much more weight to lose and while I'd love to be that super slender girl who fits into everything nice and smoothly, being a healthy weight, with muscles might not get me there. Every time I reach a goal, a new one is set and this is why I prefer people to give me a reality check. No sensitivity here; good advice.

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