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  • #16
    Originally posted by Betorq View Post
    Bacon is tasty and I generally eat in on the weekend as a treat. For me, its part of the 20%. I wouldn't recommend it to others for trying to achieve or stay in ketosis, nor would I eat bacon myself in striving to hit/stay in ketosis. Imo, it's not clean enough, too processed for my standards. But thats just me. I eat much simpler pre- & post- of my ketotic fasts, mostly fat, mod protein & VLC, than my standard fare.

    @Drumroll:

    Originally Posted by Drumroll

    "Being fat-adapted means your body can utilize both ketones and sugar as energy. You want to be fat adapted rather than ketone-adapted. Ketone-adapted means your body is so used to utilizing ketones that it might have trouble utilizing sugars should they be reintroduced in significant enough quantity."

    Can you cite your sources for this info? Thanks!

    I might have read that somewhere & brain farted it out of my memory...
    What's the reasoning behind abstaining from bacon pertaining to ketosis? Bacon will not prevent you from entering or kick you out of ketosis...
    Last edited by Fernaldo; 09-17-2012, 07:36 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Fernaldo View Post
      What's the reasoning behind abstaining from bacon pertaining to ketosis? Bacon will not prevent you from entering or kick you out of ketosis...
      Betorg abstains because Bacon is normally more processed than just normal meat and he is more minimalist in terms of daily eats....not that it keeps him from entering a ketogenic state...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Betorq View Post
        I might have read that somewhere & brain farted it out of my memory...
        I'm totally stealing this line . I can probably use it a hundred times a day!
        Started Feb 18 2011

        Tried basic primal and almost everything else in pursuit of IBS control, mood stability, and weight loss.

        Journalling here

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jtrain_36 View Post
          Well I haven't increased it no, but it wasn't exactly low to begin with. Breakfast usually is almost always some form of eggs and bacon and I always add salt on top of that, so I don't think salt is the problem.
          During the transitional period, you need to eat more salt than you think you might. No I can't give you an exact # of grams, just your regular salt plus some.

          Originally posted by jtrain_36 View Post
          When one is simply fat adapted, say eating 100g of carbs a day, are they burning ketones? Or at this point is it simply burning dietary fat?
          Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
          Probably just the dietary fat at that point. Excepting days of higher physical activity levels, where you might hit ketosis. But just the fact that you are fat-adapted means you can do this to begin with. If you weren't, your body would be stuck to burning glycogen which was made from converting protein in muscles to glucose. Not good.
          Good answer. This is why fat adaptation is beneficial to everyone regardless of if they choose to pursue nutritional ketosis as a steady state.

          Originally posted by Betorq View Post
          @Drumroll: Originally Posted by Drumroll

          "Being fat-adapted means your body can utilize both ketones and sugar as energy. You want to be fat adapted rather than ketone-adapted. Ketone-adapted means your body is so used to utilizing ketones that it might have trouble utilizing sugars should they be reintroduced in significant enough quantity."

          Can you cite your sources for this info? Thanks!
          Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
          I'm looking. I read it a while back, but only once or twice I think. Ugh, I can't find it so far. I THINK it was like almost a year ago that I read it?
          It was in connection largely to the people who use deep ketogenic diets for therapeutic purposes, such as epilepsy. It didn't relate to the lighter version of ketosis most weightlifters, paleo/primal, low-carb enthusiasts are usually after.
          I have been doing research on ketosis and epilepsy a lot over the past year or two and I think the reason you aren't finding it is because it doesn't work that way. You may have misread something. But if you can find it I'd like to see it too.

          Your body does not "forget" how to process glucose if you eat low carb too long. Even if you are eating zero carbs, there is still gluconeogenesis going on so there is always some glucose in the mix. Conversely, however, if you eat often and eat mostly carbs , since your body burns carbs first, the fat will just get stored and the body will get out of the habit of burning fat. Hence the carb flu transition for some people.

          Originally posted by Lawyerchick12 View Post
          Betorg abstains because Bacon is normally more processed than just normal meat and he is more minimalist in terms of daily eats....not that it keeps him from entering a ketogenic state...
          This plus, depending on the brand, there can be a lot of sugar involved in the curing process.

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          • #20
            Well thanks for the information everyone. Today saw my headache and "not quite all there" feeling disappear. This morning I liberally salted my food so maybe that was the case, or maybe I'm just starting to adapt better.

            Thanks again

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