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  • #31
    Thanks. So sweet potatoes are 'bad' too (or at least, as bad as regular potatoes are) but you are 'cheating' with them (rather than with potatoes) because they taste better.

    Also (to the thread at large), here's Marks take on potatoes. Basically if you are trying to lose weight and have the wrong body type then potato consumption shold be minimised.
    Last edited by magicmerl; 09-17-2012, 09:19 PM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
      Thanks. So sweet potatoes are 'bad' too (or at least, as bad as regular potatoes are) but you are 'cheating' with them (rather than with potatoes) because they taste better.

      Also (to the thread at large), here's Marks take on potatoes. Basically if you are trying to lose weight and have the wrong body type then potato consumption shold be minimised.


      This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Neither is inherently "bad", just bad for some people under some circumstances.

      Unless of course you are Chaco and think the whole world is 23, male, and highly athletic, with a perfect as yet undamaged metabolism and anyone else is just a whiner making excuses.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Neither is inherently "bad", just bad for some people under some circumstances.

        Unless of course you are Chaco and think the whole world is 23, male, and highly athletic, with a perfect as yet undamaged metabolism and anyone else is just a whiner making excuses.
        Correct. To be fair, I think that chocos answer *is* actually responding to the OP in an appropriate way, but pointing out the relative lack of difference between potatoes and sweet potatoes.

        To the OP: If you need 250g of carbs, potatoes and sweet potatoes are ok sources. When I need to go 'over the top' on my food intake I increase my fat instead of carbs (although I'm not a low carber either).
        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

        Griff's cholesterol primer
        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
        bloodorchid is always right

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        • #34
          I'm 53, male, and like to think I'm highly athletic with a perfect metabolism....close enough.
          A lot of foods are N=1 relative.
          I eat a lot of dairy very comfortably, but whey protein sits heavy on my stomach and gives me that hayfevery tingling on the roof of my mouth. ( Jaminet doesnt think whey protein is a positive thing)

          With potatoes, if I have sweet potatoes, my bowels sing like a harp. White potatoes are more like the rumble of a kettledrum.

          Suck it and see, YMMV, saddle up and ride little cowboy.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
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            This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Neither is inherently "bad", just bad for some people under some circumstances.

            Unless of course you are Chaco and think the whole world is 23, male, and highly athletic, with a perfect as yet undamaged metabolism and anyone else is just a whiner making excuses.
            I do eat sweet potatoes & I load them up w/ lots of butter, coco oil, cinnamon & that last time, and ya gotta try this, mounds of organic full fat sour creme. It wasn't bad, it was great. I have no guilt issues over food, I'm Jewish fer gawds sake, I love food. But I choose sweet potatoes over white spuds as they are more of a reward for me (they're sweet and more savory), plus I feel better knowing they have a better macro profile.

            And Taco, here in the deep south, which closely resembles Africa's heat & humidity (minus the wild animal stampedes), Sweet potatoes have been in season for many many months, as have all squashes. I do eat winter squashes too, kabocha is my fav. I never met a vegetable I didn't like... There are no 'bad' real/whole foods (I don't consider HFCS or hydrogenated oils real foods but all tubers are pretty tasty & decent nutrition).

            But I do take exception to Taco's inaccurate assertation that eating potatoes, sorry...that stuffing potatoes into your face gives you decent protein that is useful in any serious degree when its so disproportionately high in carbs therefore sugars.

            Anyone can live for a year on a tropical island eating nothing but coconuts & build themselves a house, flooring, cups, mugs, plates, knives, forks & spoons & make fires & knit clothes with coconut palm's various parts. Can drink the water & moisturize skin & hair. Can anyone do the same with a year of nothing but potatoes stuck on some Irish atol? Ok, that's equivocation.

            Some people get ill from nightshades like potatoes. Coconut oil can cause nausea in some people if its consumed too quickly in too large of doses. But that's not illness, that's just poor judgement
            Last edited by Betorq; 09-17-2012, 10:24 PM.
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            • #36
              If this forum has taught me anything, it's that people get smarter when they stop believing in the insulin hypothesis. Choco's a dick, but he's right.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                If this forum has taught me anything, it's that people get smarter when they stop believing in the insulin hypothesis. Choco's a dick, but he's right.
                That's because people don't want to spike their insulin unnecessarily when they have medical issues. For example, Paleobird has a problem with seizures unless she eats low carb.

                For those of us who are completely healthy, we should really be exercising and raising insulin every once in a while to avoid becoming resistant. I honestly think it's bullshit that those who have healthy metabolisms and functioning bodies refuse to do difficult exercise for small periods of time, and instead, continue to cling to ketosis like it's the magic pill that's going to right all their wrongs.
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                • #38
                  Home
                  Nothing but potato diet.
                  It's not really surprising considering potatoes have one of the highest satiety index scores per calorie out of any food. It would be extremely hard to over eat boiled potatoes.

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                  • #39
                    at the time of the potato famine the average irish peasant ( male who worked ) ate about 14 or 15lbs a day of potatoes and not much else. Granted the potatoes then had different sugars and were alot tastier on their own.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by EatFatLoseFat View Post
                      New here so excuse me if it's a dumb question, but I can't find any info about this. I have seen mark constantly write about how sweet potatoes are a good carb source for those of us that need carbs. I have also seen a post of his saying potatoes are good, but it doesn't compare the two. Anybody have any advice? I need carbs and want to cut grain/legumes so I am going to go potatoe route, but sometimes I need 250g of carbs a day and if I do 200 of them in sweet potatoes that seems like a lot of sugar compared to the rolled oats and rice I used to eat 200g of. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks in advance
                      Sweet potatoes are ideal for it, because it is consists of vitamin A, vitamin C, manganese, and all the carotenes, especially beta-carotene. They are also an excellent source of antioxidants which may help protect our cells from damage.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                        Home
                        Nothing but potato diet.
                        It's not really surprising considering potatoes have one of the highest satiety index scores per calorie out of any food. It would be extremely hard to over eat boiled potatoes.
                        That's a cool website, http://20potatoesaday.com. Thanks. I have a greater respect now for the potatoes out there.

                        Interesting in that the guy who lived on nothing but spuds & canola & olive oil for 60 days stated this in his Q&A:

                        Q. What was your diet like prior to the potato diet?
                        A. My best estimate is that it was probably a little better than the average US citizen only becasue of a high rate of produce consumption. I generally would eat about 10 servings of fruits and vegetables a day. But I ate everything else too. I would eat a wide range of food, a little bit of everything, including foods that aren't considered "healthy."

                        OK, can we assume he ate commercial store bought foods? He even mentions packaged chips & french fries elsewhere. So he means junk food w/ HFCS & rancid, crappy oils & hydrogenated oils, chemicals etc etc. He did state he only ate a little better than the average US citizen. So his mono-diet was really a much healthier one, as a cleanse/digestive/sleep reset, than his standard diet. I'm being nit picky, but you get the point. Mono-diets have been around for a long time, as a cure for whatever ails you, https://www.google.com/search?client...q=mono%20diets. I wonder how the average SAD folks would do on a 365 day spud diet? Or a 365 coconut diet? That's a hella lot longer than 60 days, which seems long enough! I'm sure if it's out there in cyberspace, someone can post a link or copy/paste it here...

                        This was an interesting read, more so imo, as opposed to the biological straight up wiki of the spud; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_potato

                        Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                        That's because people don't want to spike their insulin unnecessarily when they have medical issues. For example, Paleobird has a problem with seizures unless she eats low carb.

                        For those of us who are completely healthy, we should really be exercising and raising insulin every once in a while to avoid becoming resistant. I honestly think it's bullshit that those who have healthy metabolisms and functioning bodies refuse to do difficult exercise for small periods of time, and instead, continue to cling to ketosis like it's the magic pill that's going to right all their wrongs.
                        Agreed. I come in and out of ketosis regularly, as I'm not trying to treat any medical conditions, diseases or syndromes. I alternate betwen LC/VLC & back to normal carb ranges, and I vary my workouts more than I used to, giving my body more days between repetition of the same exercises, with more complete rest days that I used to label lazy days for myself. Now I call them healing days, & I recommend most of my clients to chill out more often in between their workout regimes.
                        Last edited by Betorq; 09-18-2012, 07:32 AM.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                          That's because people don't want to spike their insulin unnecessarily when they have medical issues. For example, Paleobird has a problem with seizures unless she eats low carb.

                          For those of us who are completely healthy, we should really be exercising and raising insulin every once in a while to avoid becoming resistant. I honestly think it's bullshit that those who have healthy metabolisms and functioning bodies refuse to do difficult exercise for small periods of time, and instead, continue to cling to ketosis like it's the magic pill that's going to right all their wrongs.
                          I'm pretty sure we're in complete agreement here. I can appreciate therapeutic ketosis, as ketones seem to benefit the brain quite a bit. Hell, my wife chooses to stay mostly ketogenic because it allows her more mental clarity for school. Whether the pill she's taking is the cause of her general fogginess is up for debate, but I don't begrudge her for it one bit. I only take issue with the perfectly insulin sensitive crowd insisting that ketosis isn't just a useful backup metabolism, but rather our optimal metabolism, and also that raising blood sugar (and insulin as a result) is a one-two punch that gives people diabetes. There's no support for such an idea outside of Good Calories, Bad Calories, and he misinterpreted/manipulated/ignored research and his theory isn't true. So...

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                            I'm pretty sure we're in complete agreement here. I can appreciate therapeutic ketosis, as ketones seem to benefit the brain quite a bit. Hell, my wife chooses to stay mostly ketogenic because it allows her more mental clarity for school. Whether the pill she's taking is the cause of her general fogginess is up for debate, but I don't begrudge her for it one bit. I only take issue with the perfectly insulin sensitive crowd insisting that ketosis isn't just a useful backup metabolism, but rather our optimal metabolism, and also that raising blood sugar (and insulin as a result) is a one-two punch that gives people diabetes. There's no support for such an idea outside of Good Calories, Bad Calories, and he misinterpreted/manipulated/ignored research and his theory isn't true. So...
                            How would you define "perfectly" insulin sensitive? From what I have read, it seems post prandial BG is a better gage than fasting BG. A normal person can have a high carb meal and have 1 hour post prandial BG of 110-120 and return to baseline in a couple hours. 15-20 grams of carbs takes my 1 hour PP to over 140 and it takes 3-4 hours to get below 110. I love sweet potatoes but I can only eat 50 grams at a time. This is not easy for me. Sort of like asking an alcoholic to just have one drink. I am doing better. I would rather have a couple mouthfuls of sweet potato with cinnamon as a treat than forego them altogether. I do envy people with "perfect" insulin sensitivity. It would be nice to do a major carb meal and not worry about sludging up my blood with glucose.

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                            • #44
                              Exactly. Thanks for the alcoholic analogy @Artbuc

                              It gets tiresome to read over and over again, some people making these blanket statements as if everyone is the same metabolically & their way is THE WAY. And as if their statements are irrefutable, & if anyone attempts to interject a dissenting view, a valid dissenting view as it's that person's reality & their life to deal with those circumstances, then they get called out or shamed in subtle or not so subtle ways. I'm a smart alec at times admittedly, but except in rare cases, I try not to flame anyone.
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                              • #45
                                Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information and i'll take personal experience over a book or website any day. You are right about the glycemic index though, it's fairly useless. When the tests for measurements were done, the only food consumed was carbohydrate in a 50 gram dose. People obviously eat more than 50 grams and more than one kind of food in a sitting.
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