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    I know Mark is all about the whole 80/20 thing, but how often do you find yourselves cheating? I'm three weeks in and I think I'm going through the carb flu. I'm constantly thinking about food...ice cream, peanut butter cups, frijoles and rice, and a bunch of other stuff I know I shouldn't be eating. Today I had steak for lunch, with guac on the side and one enchilada (one corn tortilla rolled up with red mole sauce on top and stuffed with a little cheese). Last night I ate Primal all day, but had 1/4 cup of gluten free ice cream at night. So I've been cheating a little here and there .....is that okay? Am I just setting myself up for failure? Why can't I stop fantasizing about dessert and junk food?! Ugh.

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    my first year primal, i cheated maybe 4 or 5 times...on major holidays. now, i'm a lot less strict and cheat whenever there's a good reason to. a craving isn't a good reason in my opinion...there's always something primal that can beat that craving. but, i'll have pizza if i'm visiting friends and that's what they're eating. i'll have cake and ice cream at a birthday party. i'll be throwing back some beer at the warrior dash this weekend. but, i still try to keep those instances low and not more than a couple of times per month...except around christmas. i go food crazy at christmas.

    the "cheating" that you're doing isn't all that bad; there are certainly worse things you could eat. a little cheat here and there isn't going to kill you, and it probably isn't even going to derail your progress all that much. but, if you're concerned about it, find out what a good primal replacement is for what you want. ice cream? maybe some dark chocolate or berries will fix that. peanut butter cups? almond or macadamia butter...or the actual nuts.
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    • #3
      Just another view -- now and then is one thing, but your preoccupation with food is the actual issue. So probably you should cut out all SAD foods for 30 days, get rid of your sugar addiction, and then see what your triggers are. It's simple -- not easy. But hang in there.
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      • #4
        Stay focused enjoy the fat. What is gluten free ice-cream? I hope it is not some high sugar full of crap substitute. All good ice-cream would be gluten free I would have thought.
        Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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        • #5
          I think going into it with the intent to cheat is really self defeating honestly. Sorry. I agree with ciavyn on this one.
          yay!

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          • #6
            In a bad week I've cheated 3x before on bags of chocolate chips. I think I devoured 3 bags + spoonfuls of Nutella that week. Gained 1.5 pounds, which sounds about right for the calorie overflow.
            F 28/5'4/100 lbs

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            • #7
              I cheat a lot lately. I'm pretty much addicted to dark chocolate (90% though). And there's a girl from school who I eat ice cream with everyday after school at some cool ice cream stand. I love it and I'm not going to cancel that or even bother with saying I don't want to eat the ice cream.
              well then

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              • #8
                I hate the word cheating. It's not immoral. Recognize that you do it, and either strive to keep it limited OR come up with primal substitutes. Ice cream= well there is a lot you can do with that- berries and cream, chocolate mousse, smoothie with coconut milk.

                Make sure you are allowing yourself to eat all the primal foods. Like, eat a banana if you want a sweet.

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                • #9
                  i don't cheat, but then i include lots of foods in my diet that most here don't touch. perfect health diet - livable & lovable!

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                  • #10
                    Honestly, it wasn't very good. It was some weird organic, "chocolate fudge" icecream with weird ingredients that I can't even think of right now. I remember tapioca being in it, some fructose syrup and who knows what else. My husband and I bought it to try it out and I don't think we'll be making that mistake again.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jakey View Post
                      i don't cheat, but then i include lots of foods in my diet that most here don't touch. perfect health diet - livable & lovable!
                      Me too. You will have to pry my artificial sweetener of choice (aspartame) and gin away from my cold, dead, not-quite-100%-Primal hands.
                      F 28/5'4/100 lbs

                      "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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                      • #12
                        Thanks everyone. I think I might have to take ciavyn's advice though. I definitely have a sugar addiction. It's easy to say, oh I'll just eat primal for 30 days, but much, MUCH hard to put into practice. Bananas are a good idea - I've been trying to eliminate fruit, since I'm trying to lose weight, but maybe that's not the best approach. Limiting my sugar might be causing the cravings for candy and ice cream to come on.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by taina747 View Post
                          I know Mark is all about the whole 80/20 thing, but how often do you find yourselves cheating? <snip>So I've been cheating a little here and there .....is that okay? Am I just setting myself up for failure? Why can't I stop fantasizing about dessert and junk food?! Ugh.

                          Taina, I am with Mark on this. I am actually pretty close to 100% now, becauise I get very ill whenever i eat anything with coen in it or derived from corn. That's almost everything one might want to 'cheat" with. But I have been at this for several years. In the beginning, we started with "one primal meal per day" and we gradually found workable replacements for the things we wanted to eliminate. We ate *many* meals of pseudo-primal almond pancakes and very frequent pseudo-primal brownies and cookies for the first year. We aren't looking for weight loss, we just wanted our health issues to go away. And we didn't lose weight the first year and we lost very little the second. But our health issues did go away, and as we felt better and ate better, our urge for the "not up to snuff" replacements has waned. These days they are saved for a special occasion, and we rarely crave them. Because our older, longer abused bodies react very badly to grains, dairy, and legumes, we avoid them.

                          But, you know, "cheats" are what you do on a diet. A primal lifestyle is just that: a lifestyle. You can't cheat on a lifestyle...the concept doesn't make any sense.

                          ciavyn has a point that it would probably be a good idea to go cold turkey on the sweets for 30 days and then see where you stand. SAD foods are pretty addictive and not cutting the addiction will make it hard to stick with 80/20.
                          Misti
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                          Grain Free since 2009, WP from 2005
                          ~100% primal (because anything less makes me very sick)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by taina747 View Post
                            Thanks everyone. I think I might have to take ciavyn's advice though. I definitely have a sugar addiction. It's easy to say, oh I'll just eat primal for 30 days, but much, MUCH hard to put into practice. Bananas are a good idea - I've been trying to eliminate fruit, since I'm trying to lose weight, but maybe that's not the best approach. Limiting my sugar might be causing the cravings for candy and ice cream to come on.
                            I know where you're coming from with trying to lose weight. Another approach to take that might make things easier would be to not worry about any weight loss/gain right now. It's hard, I know. Focus, instead, on primal eating/living. Take one step at a time. Focus on eating the best foods that you can eat/afford and eliminating the grains and added sugars. Don't limit fruit, but do try to eat it in moderation. It'll be easier to do now that fall is approaching and the melons and berries aren't so FREAKING good in the store right now. (Yep, had my own binging this summer on those suckers.)

                            Focus on good, clean primal eating for the next 30 days and THEN once you've gotten a better handle on that and a new WOE, start tweaking it for weight loss.

                            Good luck. You can do it!

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                            • #15
                              I'm glad you are considering the bigger issue. It was mine, too. Still is, depending on the day. I'm going to disagree with a couple of posters on this one, though: if you are truly going to get rid of your sugar addiction, you have to stay off sugar for those 30 days, including fruit. Fruit is sugar, even if it does have a healthy side effect. I've finally beaten my sugar cravings, and I'm not going to lie and say it was easy. For me, it took MONTHS. But I'm rid of it, and I feel pretty good. And now I can have some blueberries or raspberries, and not eat the whole container. Because it isn't about it being "bad" or "healthy," or whether the container has a certain number of carbs. The issue is me & food, specifically sugar containing foods. I will eat the whole thing, and rationalize, it's healthy. So that is why I say what I do. It's all experience...and researching A LOT of information.

                              Good luck -- you can do anything you decide to -- it just takes the decision.
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