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  • #16
    A lot of people consider drinking tea to be "supplementing" with antioxidants. Personally, since it's all natural, I would say that's not the case. But I've read the phrase "supplimenting by drinking tea" quite often when doing any reading about tea.

    If you consider drinking tea to be supplementing, then you definitely have to consider coffee and yerba mate and any other high antioxidant beverages the same. Which makes bulletproof fasting also kind of pointless.

    Hard to tell, but it's sounding like you need to be strict about fasting with water only to recive the most benefits of the fast.
    Last edited by Drumroll; 09-11-2012, 05:18 PM.
    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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    • #17
      I took a look through the links above by Neckhammer and all those studies were done with synthetic high dose antioxidants. I don't really consider drinking tea to be supplementing any more than eating liver would be. They are both just part of a healthy diet.

      But when the subject of fasting comes up the first thing everyone cautions is, "be sure to take your vitamins". Well, maybe not.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
        You say supplementation, but those articles seem to be implying that antioxidants from ANY sources would have these effects, whole food sources or not.

        So, to play the devil's advocate, what makes whole foods any better than supplementation, if antioxidants from both sources are, according to the above, not really beneficial?
        Well the first one is a study that states this ..."We evaluated the effects of a combination of vitamin C (1000 mg/day) and vitamin E (400 IU/day)" and this "Consistent with the concept of mitohormesis, exercise-induced oxidative stress ameliorates insulin resistance and causes an adaptive response promoting endogenous antioxidant defense capacity. Supplementation with antioxidants may preclude these health-promoting effects of exercise in humans." So definitely supplementation in that one.

        The second is more of an article on the matter. But, the studies discussed include this ...."In 47 low-bias trials with 180 938 participants, the antioxidant supplements significantly increased mortality….beta carotene…, vitamin A…, and vitamin E…, singly or combined, significantly increased mortality. Vitamin C and selenium had no significant effect on mortality.” And then there is this "Antioxidant drugs inhibit basal and induced autophagy" from the other study talked about.

        Seems neither of them were related to antioxidants in a whole foods diet.

        I do agree that it looks like water is the way to go during a fast if you can....and like Paleobird said, the whole "be sure to take your vitamins"....at least during the fast might not be in your best interest. The second article does point out that research on autophagy is basically BOOMING right now, and there could be many new discoveries in a short time. Fun eh?
        Last edited by Neckhammer; 09-11-2012, 06:19 PM.

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        • #19
          So, the only question is, what effect does tea, coffee, and yerba mate have on a fast. It's looking more like water fasts only though, given the research.
          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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