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  • #61
    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    A lot of people fast for reasons that have nothing to do with weight loss...So don't freak out about that thread.
    ...Yes, such things do exist and yes, they are seriously scary. My sister almost died of anorexia/bulimia in her 20s, so I understand how awful it can be and I share PrimalMama's concern over such things but I really don't think that the Primal fasting threads are "going there".
    Oh *HUGS* PaleoBird - I hope your sister's doing well in her recovery (not sure how long ago that was, but these things tend to be a lifelong struggle once they start)

    Yes, there are definitely sites out there that encourage all kinds of dangerous behavior (I am SO resisting the urge to link to the FDA site right now.... *self control*), including tips and tricks for furthering your eating disorder, hiding it from family/doctors, "success" stories, etc. - you can look them up fairly easily if you'd like.

    I don't think I'm freaking out about that thread, just... I stopped reading it... I really don't think it was "going there" either, but I've worked with enough eating disordered teenage girls that it felt uncomfortable for me - MY hangup, I think.

    Like PaleoBird said, lots of non weight-loss reasons to fast.
    The reasons I fast include weight loss at the moment, but I'm sure I'll continue to fast when I find my body composition more ideal - I find several aspects beneficial for more than just weight loss.

    I used to do 1-3 24-hour fasts during the work week (dinner, then fast until I could do my half mile all-out swim the next day at 7pmish, eat afterwards), and it was probably the healthiest I've felt as an adult. That healthy feeling alone is reason to keep doing it!

    Right now, for me, it's all about feeding myself when I'm hungry and not feeding myself when I'm not - going solely by my hunger, I'm delaying or skipping lunch (and breakfast too, if I'm not hungry), and I throw in the occasional fast that's not dictated by lack of hunger, just to change things up a little.


    • #62
      I skipped this thread until today because I expected it to be some anorexic girl eating a primal diet of chicken breast, salad, Greek yogurt and handful of nuts all in homeopathic doses.

      Yesterday I was hiking with an overweight nurse struggling in the heat on a level trail. She dispensed weight loss and health advice to everyone. Expressed concern when this Egyptian guy told us at about 4pm he had been fasting all day and was really looking forward to cooking up some gizzards and liver.

      I just listened. Didn't say a word about anything. Just observed. Observed the older guy on beta blockers and hypertension meds. He hiked well but had that worn out dried up look of old guys who use modern meds to control markers of poor health instead of eating well. Observed that the two who looked 10 years younger than we really are eat offal, fat and fast. Observed that those who know the most CW wisdom struggle the most, can't think straight, struggle to find words, complain of pain and dismiss it all as just what comes with age. Maybe when I look older people will want to know why I am so vital but now they just think I'm young.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.


      • #63
        sbhikes, did the Egyptian guy respond to any questions that they asked? If they asked....

        I haven't done it yet, but thinking of the CW people, I think if I was pushed into a corner I might also ask, "How's what you're doing working for you?"
        Female, age 51, 5' 9"
        SW - 183 (Jan 22, 2012), CW - 159, GW - healthy.

        Met my 2012 goals by losing 24 pounds.
        2013 goals are to get fit and strong!


        • #64
          The Egyptian guy wasn't paleo or anything. He was just being himself. He didn't argue or appear like he was going to do anything different just because somebody had another idea. He was funny talking about his recipes. For gizzards, first boil them then sauté in olive oil and garlic like scampi. Get them so they are crispy on the outside. These are so good, he said, and no fat! He always added no fat! Even though everything he described had plenty of it. He was so hungry and dreaming of all his food fantasies. I ended up buying eggplant so I can make baba ganoush (sp?) after hearing about it.
          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.


          • #65
            ha, that's kind of cute (and I don't use the word lightly). Baba Ghanoush is good. I had to check the spelling too...and found the wikipedia article on it - quite interesting! 'course this is off topic now...
            Female, age 51, 5' 9"
            SW - 183 (Jan 22, 2012), CW - 159, GW - healthy.

            Met my 2012 goals by losing 24 pounds.
            2013 goals are to get fit and strong!


            • #66
              Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
              Anybody ever has the nerve to call me anorexic, I'm just going to tear my shirt off, throw the person across my shoulders and squat them. Each rep, I'll ask, "Does this look like anorexia to you? 2! How about now? 3! And now? 4! Do all anorexics squat twice their body weight, or just the really sick ones? 5!"

              And then I'll hobble away and drink a tsp of baking soda to quell the imminent cramps...
              This is totally OT - but do I remember you saying that you have also had kidney stones? Makes me wonder if you have ever had your Parathyroid hormone levels checked?
              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )



              • #67
                Originally posted by jojohaligo View Post
                I haven't done it yet, but thinking of the CW people, I think if I was pushed into a corner I might also ask, "How's what you're doing working for you?"
                That's what I was thinking too....
                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                Griff's cholesterol primer
                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                bloodorchid is always right


                • #68
                  No, never had kidney stones. Maybe a similar username? I seem to recall somebody registering under knifekill or something like that a few months ago.

                  With all the green tea I've had lately, I won't be at all surprised if I ever do get a kidney stone. It just hasn't happened to me yet. I'm 30, so a lot of my comeuppance is due soon.
                  Crohn's, doing SCD


                  • #69
                    If you explain to someone about fasting be sure they realize you are still eating a normal total caloric intake daily you just eat more of your calories at once.


                    • #70
                      I don't like to go to my grandmother's at lunch on Saturday anymore because she seems personally offended that I don't eat most anything that she makes. In her defense, she is 84 years old and recently went to the Dr. where they told her she had double pneumonia. That's the first time she's been sick in years and years. No meds either.
                      Anyways, and my uncle and cousin always act all uppity about my eating choices, both have innertube bellies. Not too overweight, just belly fat.

                      Haters gonna hate.
                      If I just said LOL, I lied. Do or do not. There is no try.


                      • #71
                        And then, another friend who has a masters in psychology stepped in
                        Yeah, titles are kind of meaningless when you have no idea about what you're talking.

                        carl's cave


                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                          And then, another friend who has a masters in psychology stepped in, "The ONLY time a fast is called for is if you do not have access to food when you need it. Eating every four hours is not only good for the body, but good for your mind as well. Fasting leads to eating disorders if voluntarily undertaken and you should stop immediately. In fact, I have the number of a psychologist who specializes in eating disorders you should probably give a call."
                          {Sigh} Now I have to step in here, because I also have a master's degree in psychology. There are a few things wrong with this statement:
                          1. Fasting does not lead to eating disorders. It might be one of the behaviors associated with eating disorders, but it does not LEAD to cause anorexia. ED's are extremely complex psychological processes, and most often have more to do with control than anything else (also distorted thinking/body image issues).
                          2. Having a master's in psychology doesn't actually make you knowledgeable about nutrition in any way, because it's diet/exercise/nutrition is not a part of the curriculum. It might be noted in a coping skills discussion, but there is no amount of formalized training.
                          3. What would your friend say about fasting for religious or medical purposes? There are several very legitimate reasons to fast that have nothing to do with actually having access to food. What about a 12-hour fast to have your fasting A1c checked? Doctors that I've known often write orders for fasting blood work.
                          4. Eating every four hours is not good for the mind. It creates obsessive thinking patterns. You'd constantly be thinking about food...what to eat, how to balance calories, macronutrients, etc, which actually can lead to disordered eating.
                          5. If you don't meet criteria for an eating disorder, a referral to an ED specialist is not only premature, it's also just completely obnoxious. Criteria for Anorexia include refusal to maintain a minimal amount of body fat (normally 85% of lower end of ideal body fat %), body dysmorphia, intense fear of gaining weight, restricting food intake, or serious over-exercising.

                          Some tips:
                          Stop trying to explain Primal to people, most either won't really get it or might think you're doing some extreme fad diet. Just tell people you're into "clean eating," meaning you cut out the majority of processed food and sugar. You eat whole foods and try to get a reasonable amount of exercise. Most people will understand that without thinking you're crazy.


                          • #73
                            Don't get discouraged guys!! There are people out there who are receptive and while fighting with people who choose to remain ignorant sucks, seeing someone you care about thrive is amazing... Here are some success stories:

                            My dad: My dad was pretty easy to get on board. He was an ice hockey player through college and has been frustrated for years over gaining weight and knee/neck pain. One weekend right after I picked up the diet, we read Robb Wolf's book together and he was on board. He is now off all his blood pressure/cholesterol medication and is down to 178lbs from 220. My mom says he is thinner and looks better than when she met him He also hasn't had a single one of his debilitating migraines since he started.

                            My god father: My god father has always been a big guy. He was my dad's best friend in college and was always active, just thought he had a big frame. Except now, at 46, he could barely make it up the stairs holding his 3 year old. We got he and his wife on board (she is an angel, cooks every one of his meals pure paleo, even packing his lunch every day) and he is now down 46 pounds and called me a few weeks ago to tell me he was able to run half a mile for the first time in years. Still has weight to lose, but is doing awesome!

                            Friend's dad: My parents went to dinner about a month ago with one of my childhood friend's parents. Art, the father, is 59 and told my dad he almost cancelled dinner because just getting out of his chair is so hard these days. He is stiff and sore all the time and has tried everything with no success. Of course, Dad launches into the Paleo diet and how much better he feels on it. Art started the next day and he and his wife both read Primal Blueprint that week. He called my dad almost in tears this weekend saying he is almost afraid to tell anyone how good he feels because it might go away. He couldn't stop thanking my dad for introducing him to the diet and says he'll do it forever if he feels this good.

                            So yeah, there are a ton of nay-sayers out there. But we all know we are healthier for the diet, and if you can get a few people to be healthier too, isn't it worth talking about it?

                            P.S. Art is a contractor and is working on an orthopedic surgeon's home right now. Art brought the diet up to him and the guy says "I haven't a piece of bread or grains in 4 years, you're on the right track." -So, some enlightened doctors in the world too
                            It is always too early to quit.
                            Went primal- 02/25/12, height: 5'6", starting weight: 143.0, current weight: 133.8

                            "Doubt never stops. Neither do you."- Prove People Wrong.


                            • #74
                              People LOVE the whole "we must eat every 3-4 hours" thing. That alone probably makes us a nation of fat asses because exactly 2 people probably eat veggies and a small handful of nuts... everyone else has a snickers, some chips or something else craptastic.

                              It's funny that as soon as you "stop eating crap" you are anorexic. Or that people are alarmed by paleo or primal. It's as if "Grains" are like water. Seriously, anorexics don't plow into steak and kale cooked in coconut milk. Or eat 3 eggs and a side of bacon.

                              But people are stupid. I keep it to "I gave up sugar and flour" when asked "where do you get your carbs" I respond with from fruit and sweet potatoes. One woman gives me the stink eye, but then she talks about her digestive issues, pains, allergies and 101 other problems she has. She is thin, eats well, but thinks grains are essential..... the sad irony is that they probably play a roll in how ill she is.

                              I mean, if this were bad for us, we would not look younger, with clearer skin, leaner bodies and more energy. And yes, someone put my age at 28 this weekend and when I told him how old I was, he said I looked better than most women that age. But yeah, we are all suffering eating disorders and becoming malnourished.

                              Check out my blog. Hope to share lots of great recipes and ideas!


                              • #75
                                Someone gave me a hard time about being on a fad diet..... I have an iphone with access to youtube....I then searched: UCTV The Skinny on Obesity, clicked on the link I want and told him, "If you think I'm on some BS fad diet then tell me what's wrong with this University of California's endocrinologist's arguments. And if you tell me you don't have time for those 8 minutes then I'll have to take it you are too intellectually lazy to have your opinion challenged."
                                Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?