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    I am sorry ahead of time. I just got to talk to people who understand. I am a first year nursing student in my second week of nursing school and we just covered nutrition. I just about wanted to rip my eyes out and bang my head against the desk. It was a SAD sad class. Food pyramid all the way. Then in the next breath they talk about the rise of diabetes. *Facepalm* I'm wondering if it would be completely disrespectful to send my professors books, journal articles, links etc. to try and educate her. She seems to hate me already so I can't do too much more damage right?

    Today was kind of the last straw for me. We were talking at the end of class about fundraising for nursing fees etc. I'm like ok that sounds fine. Except, most of the fees go towards food for banquets and buying pizza and cookies for the class. I'm like, "Dude, I thought we were trying to promote health here?!" The nursing professors are also encouraging the students who are trying to run for a class position to bring in cookies and suckers to win votes.

    I am disgusted with our medical field. We honestly need to start some paleo/primal colleges for nursing and medicine.
    Height: 5'2"
    Starting weight: 180lbs
    Current weight 130lbs

  • #2
    Hey Nix,

    My mother is a nurse and the other day she was having a go at me because she said I was eating too much red meat and eggs! then at breakfast I was looking for the eggs in cupboard she tells me to just get a bowl of cereal! I am like mum how can you give me dietry advice when you are overweight yourself! Just because she is a nurse and been on the course they think they know it all! I just say go with it.... You just have to grin an bare it! It's like being athiest and getting told that the earth was create 5000 years in 7 days and that an amazing wizard who looked like a middle eastern gandalf turned water into wine! I think you should just take what you need in any doctrine you read and ignore the stuff you don't!!

    One day Primal/paleo way of life will become CW, the revolution will happen don't worry judgement day is upon us :-)

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    • #3
      I can't tell you how many overweight and unhealthy nurses I know. Yes, what does that say about the profession. My family doctor is overweight, too.

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      • #4
        I think you're fighting a losing battle. My best friend is in her second year of nursing school and she is completely and totally in line with everything that she's taught. I used to be very much like that. I'm a chemist and thought chemistry belonged in all aspects of my life. Now I'm completely different so it's actually really hard sometimes to be talking to her. Her 14 yr old daughter has been having all kinds of health problems and my friend is just following the doctors and medicating her like crazy. She won't even consider dietary changes. It's so sad...

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        • #5
          I know some pretty obese nurses.

          Keep your head down and power through.
          carl's cave

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          • #6
            i feel like this is a problem that keeps happening. CW is so ingrained in the medical profession's mind, and i think a big reason for that is that it's easy to understand. i'm not saying medical professionals are simple minded; i'm saying that with all they have to keep in their minds, adding extra ideas about health and nutrition might be too complex. and that sucks, because food really should be the first line of treatment for most things, and understanding all the options should be a requirement. maybe the ancestral health community can take a tip from pharmaceutical companies and send out representatives with free pens and grass fed jerky samples.

            anyway, i wouldn't bombard you teacher with books and papers. that's just going to create resistance and animosity. instead, plant the seed by asking questions. pointing out that connection to the rise of diabetes right after discussing the food pyramid is a perfect example. simply saying, "doesn't that suggest that the food pyramid is flawed?" might not have changed any minds, but it might have gotten them thinking.

            the other thing, about the pizza and soda and candy just makes me cringe. i get that those are the standards for today, so people don't normally bat an eye at that sort of thing...but come on. if there's one thing that everybody---EVERYBODY---in the health field can agree on, it's that whole foods are the way to go. and a teacher and students in the health field recommending crap? you should enter the election and focus on healthy diet choices...and be bold about that position. you'll probably win, and have the opportunity to open some minds.
            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60178.html

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            • #7
              I wouldn’t send her any articles, books, etc., but I see nothing wrong with showing your displeasure concerning the food used for the fundraiser. Even CW considers pizza, cookies, and suckers to be unhealthy. It is disgusting what they’re doing.
              “You may have thought you heard me say I wanted a lot of bacon and eggs, but what I said was: Give me all the bacon and eggs you have.” - Ron Swanson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by carlh View Post
                Keep your head down and power through.
                i think this is a bad idea. not questioning or challenging ideas is a mistake, particularly in an educational setting. i'm not saying someone should riot the classroom yelling about how good butter is, but i think there is an obligation of informed people to stay informed and inform others.
                keeping quiet is a great way to just earn your degree and go find a job and hope nobody notices you. having an opinion and a respectable voice is a good way to stand out a bit, and educate people in the process.
                http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread60178.html

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                • #9
                  I definitely prefer your method of planting ideas instead of ignoring - you stated it very well.
                  carl's cave

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                  • #10
                    I had an argument on nutrition once with a nurse and a biotech guy who worked for a major drug company. He was on my side, she wouldn't accept anything either of us had to say. I don't know what is worse, that the nurse is so CW or that the people on the inside of drug company research know you are healthiest on a paleo diet rich in fats from grass-fed animals.

                    I say if you really want to be a nurse, you've got some compromising to do in life.
                    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                      I had an argument on nutrition once with a nurse and a biotech guy who worked for a major drug company. He was on my side, she wouldn't accept anything either of us had to say. I don't know what is worse, that the nurse is so CW or that the people on the inside of drug company research know you are healthiest on a paleo diet rich in fats from grass-fed animals.

                      I say if you really want to be a nurse, you've got some compromising to do in life.
                      Not really. I'd personally advise mostly shutting up and getting through school. Nursing school is difficult enough without aggravating the instructors and causing them to look more closely at what you are doing....but I AM a nurse, and I know a bunch of us on the floor who are active, eat well---some Primal/paleo, a bunch of healthy lacto-ovo vegetarians, and others. There isn't only ONE way to be healthy. If you think so, you are on the same page as the CW people pushing what they think, and no-one likes a zealot.

                      I do teach patients, especially diabetic patients, about avoiding processed foods, grains, and eating more meat and veggies. That's always a good place to start. Massive dietary changes such as going Primal/Paleo just aren't going to happen for the majority of our population: If I can't even convince my diabetics to stop drinking sugared soda with a BG of 359, I'm NOT going to get them to give up pasta. Maybe, just maybe, I can get them to eat more real stuff and then they'll want less pasta.....

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                      • #12
                        Wow...you guys are harsh. Im an RN and I know Pedidoc is an RN and she is a nursing instructor. I am getting my MSN in nursing education and in a couple of years, I will be a nursing teacher too. I bet there lots of nurses and medical professionals who have "seen the light" and I am sure there are more RNs than you know on this site. I just found out 3 of my 5th grade teachers read Wheat Belly and have cut out wheat and are limiting grains. I had no idea. Most people on this site say they dont talk about eating primal or paleo. Think of how many people might be eating this way and just not talking about it.

                        That being said...yes...most nursing schools are going to teach CW nutrition. If you really want to expose your nursing school to a paleo/primal WOE, I would wait until you hit it off with one of your teachers. Once you feel a rapport with a teacher, stop by her office and bring it up. Talk about how you know it goes against CW, but eating this way has made you feel better. Ask if you can show her the studies that convinced you that eating this way was the right thing to do or the studies that convinced you that CW was wrong. Loan or gift her with the books you enjoed. Nursing is very focused on evidenced based practice. If you want to influence how nutrition is taught in nursing school, you have to show evidence that it is the best practice. If the teacher you picked isnt open to new ideas, ask her if there is a teacher in the school that has celiac or avoids grains or is just interested in nutrition and then go and talk to that teacher.

                        I promise you that if you go to a teacher you already dislike, who you think already dislikes you, and go plop a bunch of books on her desk so that you can "educate" her...all you will do is alienate her.

                        Keep in mind that when it comes to college classes, there is a curriculum that is set and approved by the university/college of nursing. The teacher is not supposed to deviate from it. If you can convince a teacher that Paleo/Primal needs to be taught/covered then he/she might be able to have it approved as an acceptable addition to the course.

                        If it were me...I'd push a Weston A Price sort of WOE first and then work on primal after you can get someone to warm up to WAP.

                        As far as the poor food choices your school is offering...well yeah...it happens. My school even had a "smoking area" out back for students and faculty. It is sad, but no one HAS to eat that stuff. If you want to influence what is served at banquets...get on the committee.

                        But yes...I even said on one of my own posts that nurses are some of the unhealthiest people I know. I would put forth the idea that nurses are also over worked and underpaid, we work all hours on all days, we dont get holidays and someone always WANTS somthing from us. Many people in this type of work situation get burned out and turn to addictive coping mechanisms, such as food and smoking addictions. Just like plumbers and lawyers, and teachers and what ever. Addictive and unhealthy behaviors usually have nothing to do with what you know. They have to do with seeking comfort. When I was working nights, there were times that in order to stay awake, I either had to eat somthing, or drink coffee. It is one reason I switched to school nursing. Better hours and a more orderly day that makes it easier for me to eat healthier. And my body does better when it can sleep at night and work 8 hours instead of 12.

                        I hate to say this...but if you have found your "last straw" 2 weeks into your program...it is going to be a bumpy ride. But hang in there...and remember, once you pass your NCLEX, you can practice how ever you want. Even though I am a school RN, there isnt a food pyramid anywhere in my clinic and while I cant tell kids not to eat grains, I dont tell them that grains are good for them and I can tell them to stop eating processed food. Someday when I am a Women's Health NP, I will encourage my patients to eat primal.

                        It seems you are very passionate about primal eating...maybe you can organize a primal eating group outside of class to discuss books and convince your classmates that primal is the way to go. It might be fun to bring research studies about all kinds of ways of eating and the break the studies down, determine if they were performed well, etc...Ultimately, though, all you can do is present the information. It is up to the indvidual to take away the information presented.

                        Good Luck!
                        It's just another day in paradise
                        As you stumble to your bed
                        You'd give anything to silence
                        Those voices ringing in your head
                        You thought you could find happiness
                        Just over that green hill
                        You thought you would be satisfied
                        But you never will-
                        Learn to be still
                        -The Eagles

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                        • #13
                          I have been a nurse for 17 years. I feel your frustration. I currently work in "faith-based community nursing" and my primary responsibility is to educate my community about health related issues. The company I work for will only allow me to teach nutrition based on USDA guidelines (i.e. "My Plate"). They are very strict about the curriculum. So, if someone comes to me needing help with weight-loss, I have to teach them using My Plate even though I don't believe it is the healthiest option. Fortunately, I have not had to do this yet. I'm trying to focus more on creating programs in my community to encourage physical activity and am steering clear of nutrition education.

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                          • #14
                            Wow, peri and fuzzy, you guys give me hope! Just meeting nurses in my daily life hasn't left me very hopeful. Glad to see that you can make a difference once you are on the inside.
                            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by urbancaveman View Post
                              Hey Nix,

                              My mother is a nurse and the other day she was having a go at me because she said I was eating too much red meat and eggs! then at breakfast I was looking for the eggs in cupboard she tells me to just get a bowl of cereal! I am like mum how can you give me dietry advice when you are overweight yourself! Just because she is a nurse and been on the course they think they know it all! I just say go with it.... You just have to grin an bare it! It's like being athiest and getting told that the earth was create 5000 years in 7 days and that an amazing wizard who looked like a middle eastern gandalf turned water into wine! I think you should just take what you need in any doctrine you read and ignore the stuff you don't!!

                              One day Primal/paleo way of life will become CW, the revolution will happen don't worry judgement day is upon us :-)
                              +1
                              I love the athiest analogy - totally true.
                              My MIL is a nurse and couldn't BELIEVE that I would rather eliminate sugar and gluten from my diet to get rid of GERD and IBS symptoms, than go on medication...whaaaaaaatever!
                              when we go out to eat...or when we eat at her house - she'll make things that I can eat, but then also make a pasta dish and a sugary dessert and say things like " I am going to eat this pasta / dessert because I had (insert medication here) this morning"
                              ugh.

                              I like my way better, I've never felt this good or been in better shape in my adult life.

                              forward
                              pbj
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                              If you can't tell the truth about yourself, you can't tell it about other people --- Virginia Woolf

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