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    I have never really fasted before. how do you approach it? I am guessing start with shorter ones? How often?

    Paul
    Sunday October 7th, 2012.
    Start Stats: 227.1lbs, BMI-30, Body Fat% 29.

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  • #2
    I started by skipping one meal a week, for 2-3 weeks. Then several meals, but not in a row. Moved into skipping two consecutive meals, and kind of went from there. Now I eat a small breakfast, no lunch, and a huge dinner, every day. Usually about once a week I'll throw a 24 hour fast in there. Seems to be working for me, but it's taken a long time to get here, start slow, and do what works for you.

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    • #3
      Do a search on 'intermittent fasting' in this forum. PKLopp did three excellent primers.
      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

      Griff's cholesterol primer
      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
      bloodorchid is always right

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      • #4
        Thanks...I'll check it out.
        Sunday October 7th, 2012.
        Start Stats: 227.1lbs, BMI-30, Body Fat% 29.

        My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65659.html

        Facebook Page: [URL="https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/paul.benoit.739"]

        Twitter Page: https://twitter.com/paul_b419

        MyFitnesspal: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/paul_b419

        Email contact: pbent11@yahoo.ca

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        • #5
          You'll love it! It's great to just not need to eat. I still laugh at the shock on some of my coworkers' faces when I tell them I'm not hungry, I didn't bring lunch, and I don't need to eat all stinking day like a cow, because I'm not a cow, and I don't want to look like one!
          Crohn's, doing SCD

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          • #6
            I started fasting more for the convenience of not needing to be tied to food all the time more than I did for any health benefits. I started fasting while still on a CW diet. I do daily fasts and then eat one meal at about the 20 hour mark that is about maitinance level.

            One advantage to eating one meal a day? You don't really every need to worry about consuming too much in one meal like you might if you know that you're tied to your next meal which is only four hours away. If you're eating primally, this is going to be quite hard for you to do to begin with, even with the temptation to go nuts with the food after one meal. All of that fat and protein will satiate you much faster than carbs will, so you will most likely stop before you hit your caloric allotment. Just make sure that you include plenty of veggies in that one meal! See the thread on breaking a 24-hour fast that has just been posted in order to get an idea of the kind of meal I'm talking about.

            Unfortunately though, I cannot comment on easing into fasting. I kind of just jumped in full-tilt right from the begining. Unlike some people, I didn't find it that hard. Not that I am bragging, because I understand everyone is different. That was just the experience that I had.

            You might actually want to try STARTING with a 24-hour fast to see how easy or hard it is for you. If you can make it without trouble, you're good to go. If you find that you don't make it very long, then you know you might want to ease into it a little slower.
            Last edited by Drumroll; 09-06-2012, 07:14 PM.
            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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            • #7
              I started by sliding breakfast out later and later, until I just didn't miss it. Then I gradually slid "lunch" - now my break-fast meal - out until it became about 3 pm. Then it became easy to just wait until after 5 and there you are -- dinner time. I generally fast about 18-20 hours per day, and, because I focus on adequate protein and minimal carb and plenty of fat, I am satisfied.

              Note - I have a very busy, moderately stressful, job. I drank black coffee throughout the day (have for years), but I've finally quit that cold turkey. Had to - I "reduced" coffee lots of times, and kept going back to full tilt. But even now with water, and sometimes herbal teas, I can still drive on through the day. For me, the key is getting enough protein and generous fat to satisfy. I don't miss the carbs, though that may take time for you if you're not already fat-adapted. Based on record-keeping, I figured out that 65-105g protein per day works for me - very satisfying, and more is not better.

              I'm currently trying to reduce the daily protein (see the EAT MOAR FAT! thread - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65113.html), but not terribly successfully yet.

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              • #8
                I think skipping breakfast is a good place to start. Keep pushing the time forward until you get to about noon. Try eating within an 8 hour window every day, then eventually try a 24 hour fast if you want.

                I've experimented with 8 hour windows and even daily 5 hour windows. But I've eventually learned to be more intuitive about it. Now I just eat 2 meals per day, lunch and dinner. And I generally don't worry about exactly what time I eat. Then I'll work up to a 24 hour fast from time to time if I want to eat less.

                What I have found to still be they key is eating the right foods that have low calorie densities and leave you feeling stuffed. As an example, if I do a 24 hour fast and eat fast food, I can eat 2000 calories and still feel a little hungry. On the other hand, if I eat egg whites and oatmeal at the end of the 24 hour fast, I will feel stuffed even though I only ate about 800 calories.

                And that reduction in calories is really what you are looking for if you want to reap the benefits of fasting. A reduction in calories causes fat loss and will improve your health. And finding a comfortable way to accomplish this is what we are looking for. Junk foods too high in both fats and simple sugars can't be the right fit.

                The other good benefit you will get from fasting is knowing that your life doesn't have to evolve around food. Skip a meal if you want and only good things will happen from it. You'll have plenty of time to do other things, fat loss will occur along with improved health, and you'll enjoy your main meals a lot more.
                Last edited by Ripped; 09-06-2012, 11:56 PM.

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                • #9
                  Solid info guys...thanks!!
                  Sunday October 7th, 2012.
                  Start Stats: 227.1lbs, BMI-30, Body Fat% 29.

                  My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65659.html

                  Facebook Page: [URL="https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/paul.benoit.739"]

                  Twitter Page: https://twitter.com/paul_b419

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                  Email contact: pbent11@yahoo.ca

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                  • #10
                    The key to fasting for me is sleep. The more tired I am, the hungrier I get. And it's a weird, recognizable hunger that feels very close to nausea. If I get 7-8 hours of sleep, I don't get particularly hungry until around lunch time, and even then the hunger is slight, manageable, and passes in about fifteen minutes. Then I'm fine till dinner.

                    If I get 6 hours of sleep, I really want lunch. If I get five, I feel sick to my stomach with hunger and have to stuff myself with breakfast.

                    Speaking from about three hours of sleep today for various reading-late-loud-cat-and-early-meeting-related reasons, I could happily eat everyone in this thread right now and still want lunch. I had 2 avocados and a handful of strawberries for breakfast, but it won't last.

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                    • #11
                      I followed what Kurt Harris used to recommend before he went off the deep end. And I still do it now. I drink coffee with heavy cream in the morning and try to push the time I have breakfast forward as far as I can. I usually only have two mugs plus a half a mug of bone broth. I don't like anymore than that. It's enough to push breakfast far enough ahead to where lunch can just be a small snack in the afternoon, or nothing. The other thing I have done is have a decent high protein/fat breakfast in the morning and not have any lunch and once a week, not have any dinner either. I find it easier to skip dinner than breakfast.
                      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        I followed what Kurt Harris used to recommend before he went off the deep end.
                        How did he do that?
                        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                        Griff's cholesterol primer
                        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                        bloodorchid is always right

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                          How did he do that?
                          Go off the deep end? Well it seems to me around the same time he added starches to his diet he became a slight to complete ass hat. He was always a bit arrogant in his MD status and looked down on any other health professional, but it seemed to get worse. I don't blame the carbs (correlation does not equal causation ;p) But either way, he has taken to removing posts and redefining himself as if he never was a low carb advocate. Hey, if you change your mind its one thing....just don't completely deny everything you ever where in the process. Both him and animal guy attributed a great deal of their health progress to reduced carbs .....(the animal guy even went as far as to say that his liver healed WHILE continuing to drink due to the reduction in carbs). I just think its a bit disingenuous to speak in such authoritative language .....change views.....then assume your authoritative "This is the answer" tone. Heck....he villified Don something or other for doing the exact same thing.

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                          • #14
                            Thanks. I'm a relative newcomer to his writings so obviously I'm completely unaware of that sort of revisionisom.
                            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                            Griff's cholesterol primer
                            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                            bloodorchid is always right

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                              Thanks. I'm a relative newcomer to his writings so obviously I'm completely unaware of that sort of revisionisom.
                              Oh, I really shouldn't be so harsh. It kinda runs rampant in the blogosphere when someone changes their views. They go back and delete all the old data that pushed so hard for an alternate hypothesis. I would much rather see someone address their own old beliefs in a point by point style.

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