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  • New Sensitivity to Processed Meats/ Nitrates?

    I know this is long, but I could really use some feedback here so please hang in there with my rambling

    I think that I may have recently developed a really bad reaction to processed meats.

    A few weeks ago I had a 3-4 very large meals in a row of smoked meats and sausages from a new place that opened near my house. I developed a sudden onset of severe anxiety, horrible depression, diarrhea, loss of appetite, and feeling very cold. After much pondering I thought it was a big dose of MSG or other preservatives combined with a big dose of iodine I had taken. The problem seemed to resolve after a week or two. But is was really one of the worst experiences of my life.

    Then about a week after that resolved, I ate ham at a dinner - again just not thinking about it. That night I had moderate anxiety, depression, and diarrhea. I looked up the ingredients in the ham and it contains lots of chemicals.

    I had been feeling great for the last week or so, and then today was at a conference and could not find anything reasonable to eat and I was starving (bad planning on my part - I packed a lunch which I then forgot at home). I ate two smoked turkey/prosciutto sandwiches. Now tonight the depression and a bit of anxiety have returned.

    Is this possible? Does anyone else experience this? Could I have suddenly developed an intolerance to something in processed meats? Or is it more likely that I have developed some type of anxiety/depressive disorder out of the blue and the meat is a red herring?

    Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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  • #2
    I have been thinking about it and I have also been having a bit more wheat and nightshades then I normally allow. Maybe they are setting me up to be more sensitive?
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    • #3
      I think this is happening more because these things are from restaurants rather than the fact they are cured meats.

      At home, try finding uncured meats (Applegate Farms is my go-to for hot dogs, sausages, bacon, etc.) and no-added-nitrates products. Read the ingredients and if there are more than 5 or 6 of them or if you can't pronounce them, it's probably not the best choice.

      I'm betting the ham you ate at the diner was some Hormel garbage that is loaded with sugar, nitrates, nitrites, chemicals and preservatives - those would be more of a culprit rather than the fact it was ham. If you were to make a ham at home without the garbage in pre-packaged stuff at a diner, I think you'd have a different reaction. Unless you know the ingredients in the restaurant food, it's safe to assume their sausages, cured meats, etc. have garbage in it.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MissJecka View Post
        I think this is happening more because these things are from restaurants rather than the fact they are cured meats.

        At home, try finding uncured meats (Applegate Farms is my go-to for hot dogs, sausages, bacon, etc.) and no-added-nitrates products. Read the ingredients and if there are more than 5 or 6 of them or if you can't pronounce them, it's probably not the best choice.

        I'm betting the ham you ate at the diner was some Hormel garbage that is loaded with sugar, nitrates, nitrites, chemicals and preservatives - those would be more of a culprit rather than the fact it was ham. If you were to make a ham at home without the garbage in pre-packaged stuff at a diner, I think you'd have a different reaction. Unless you know the ingredients in the restaurant food, it's safe to assume their sausages, cured meats, etc. have garbage in it.
        Yes - eating out is a crapshoot at best. The ham was actually at home, but I went to look at the ingredients and they were horrible.

        I guess I have been pretty sloppy with my diet lately. But I still can't understand where this anxiety issue came from - it is completely new but does seem related to eating processed meats. Argh!!
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        • #5
          Hey jammies!

          I don't really have an answer for you, but I can tell you this - as I am more and more Primal, and racking up more weeks/months of Primal, my previously-existing depression-with-mild anxiety is clearing up, and I feel so frickin much better just with the diet change. Never in a million years would I have guessed that diet could affect depression the way it has with me. And if it can clear up, then I am thinking that it can certainly happen if you descend into the SAD abyss.

          My folks are both long-term food-service types, and I can tell you that you have to actively search hard for a place that actually cooks from scratch anymore. My mom's employer, a nursing home, used to cook fresh, but moved years ago to an open-package-and-heat system, and the food quality is now crap.

          I am also thinking that you experienced a perfect storm of chemical-laden box food, coupled with the shit that the animals were fed in the feedlots and that remains in the tissues, coupled with perphaps some diet infractions of your own doing. Have you asked what the smoking process was? Was this really smoked meats, or did it have some smoke-flavoring dumped into it?

          I used to run a wee natural-foods co-op, and one lady I delivered to was mostly a shut-in due to massive environmental/food/everything allergies. She was the one who taught me that if you are super-sensitive, wheat-fed chickens can set off some folks, for example.

          I hope you are feeling back to sorts today. That stuff is scary.
          I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jammies View Post
            Yes - eating out is a crapshoot at best. The ham was actually at home, but I went to look at the ingredients and they were horrible.

            I guess I have been pretty sloppy with my diet lately. But I still can't understand where this anxiety issue came from - it is completely new but does seem related to eating processed meats. Argh!!
            I definitely empathize with this! It must suck indeed. Just be more aware of the quantities of this stuff you eat (remembering that restaurants serve 2 or more appropriate portion sizes in one "dish") when you are eating out. Try cooking a ham by getting a regular ham (not pre-marinated, pre-sweetened, etc.) and make your own primal-friendly marinade or topping for it.

            I still strongly doubt it's the cured meats themselves, rather the quality of and the ingredients in the ones you're choosing.
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            • #7
              It's not really a sensitivity (unless you count reacting to any poison a sensitivity), it's just that your body no longer gets bombarded by tonnes of poison (in the form of all those artificial substances we used to eat every single day) and so it can show you there's an issue with eating ham/bacon/anything loaded with nitrates etc. For me, I can as cranky and go ballistic if I eat nitrates. Nasty thing that it is.

              (I have lots of experience with this, as my family went on an elimination diet - of most natural and all artificial chemicals - about 6 years ago and we still eat very little in the way of artificial chemicals. It is quite amazing to see the reactions. My 6 yr old has some nasty looking sores around her mouth from some iceblocks she had last week. Normally these aren't eaten, but she was pretty ill and her throat and tonsils were badly infected and swollen, so cold items that slid down easily were about all she could eat. My son gets similar sores from the oils in the chips we sometimes have. Another daughter gets very sullen if she eats too much cheese).

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              • #8
                Just my standard PSA that many of the meats that say "uncured" usually have more nitrites/nitrates than those that just have them outright. It's just in the form of celery seed/salt/juice which causes the same reaction the minute it hits your tongue.

                I know, I know. But I have to say it.

                When you have food with a bunch of chemicals in it, you're going to have a lot of trouble figuring out which one(s) is the problem. It could have even been the sugar. It's hard to say. I would just eat super clean for a while, then maybe introduce one new thing at a time that has a pretty short ingredient list.
                Durp.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                  Just my standard PSA that many of the meats that say "uncured" usually have more nitrites/nitrates than those that just have them outright. It's just in the form of celery seed/salt/juice which causes the same reaction the minute it hits your tongue.

                  I know, I know. But I have to say it.

                  When you have food with a bunch of chemicals in it, you're going to have a lot of trouble figuring out which one(s) is the problem. It could have even been the sugar. It's hard to say. I would just eat super clean for a while, then maybe introduce one new thing at a time that has a pretty short ingredient list.
                  Thanks, Rita Rose. I am avoiding all processed meats for now. Not even if they are "naturally" cured in case it is the nitrate causing the issue.

                  I am improved today, but clearly not back to normal yet.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jammies View Post
                    Thanks, Rita Rose. I am avoiding all processed meats for now. Not even if they are "naturally" cured in case it is the nitrate causing the issue.

                    I am improved today, but clearly not back to normal yet.
                    We consume more nitrates in our saliva daily than we do from a truck-load of Oscar Meyer weiners. (Maybe not literally, but here's a source basically talking about nitrates in meat products: Junkfood Science: Does banning hotdogs and bacon make sense?)
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                    • #11
                      Sorry to hear you've been unwell, how scary! I hope you're starting to feel better now.

                      Have you left these foods out of your diet for a long time? Perhaps your body isn't used to the chemicals anymore...i know MSG gives me diarrhea. I can well imagine preservatives giving you all those symptoms too

                      I can't eat ham, gives me migraines, yet i'm ok with bacon. Some processed meats here in the UK have HFCS added to it and you can't find sausages in the supermarket without preservatives such as sulphites.

                      I hope you feel better soon.....x

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MissJecka View Post
                        We consume more nitrates in our saliva daily than we do from a truck-load of Oscar Meyer weiners. (Maybe not literally, but here's a source basically talking about nitrates in meat products: Junkfood Science: Does banning hotdogs and bacon make sense?)
                        I'm not too into the whole "I'll get cancer!" thing. I never felt like the evidence was there. But this is why I avoid sodium nitrite:

                        Nitrite has been studied as a vasodilator in mammals for over 125 years, said professor Bryan. In 2003, scientists at the NIH conducted a physiological study to explore the circulatory role of nitric oxide, made in the body naturally from nitrite. Their small study of 18 healthy volunteers showed that intravenous nitrite could improve blood flow 175%, by opening blood vessels and increase oxygenation to tissues, making it “a potential new treatment for diseases like high blood pressure, heart attacks, sickle cell disease and leg vascular problems.”
                        Anytime you make my blood flow faster, I get a migraine. Not good.

                        But I also realize it isn't like that for everyone.
                        Durp.

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                        • #13
                          If the nitrates they used in bacon etc was made from someone's spit, I'd probably be ok with it.

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                          • #14
                            I haven't had the same reactions to processed meats as you've had, jammies, but I *have* noticed that I'm a lot more sensitive to certain processed meats since I really cleaned up my diet. I still don't have any apparent problems with CAFO bacon (working on switching over to healthier variety), but I literally haven't been able to eat hot dogs or processed lunch meat for about a year now -- each attempt I've made has made me gag, the texture & flavor is now so revolting. A few months ago, I had to eat out, and ordered a chef salad with ham & turkey slices... when I received the salad, it reeked like formaldahyde (memories of days past in dissection labs), and when I gingerly tasted a bite, it also *tasted* like formaldehyde. I was amazed that something I would have been able to eat with no objections not too long ago, now falls into the category of inedible...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bron View Post
                              If the nitrates they used in bacon etc was made from someone's spit, I'd probably be ok with it.
                              Well the nitrates in no-nitrate-added bacon and other products come naturally from salt and celery.
                              >> Current Stats: 90% Primal / 143 lbs / ~25% BF
                              >> Goal (by 1 Jan 2014): 90% Primal / 135-ish pounds / 20-22% BF

                              >> Upcoming Fitness Feats: Tough Mudder, June 2013
                              >> Check out my super-exciting journal by clicking these words.

                              Weight does NOT equal health -- ditch the scale, don't be a slave to it!

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