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  • Originally posted by Betorq View Post
    You pretty much summed it all up. Well done, young jedi!

    The calorie thing, I interpret & keep the 50 calories max @ a time, of coconut oil or kraut, in mind when I'm about to put something calorific in my mouth while fasting. Yes, for the ladies, staying vigilant in protecting/healing & not hurting your endocrine systems, is paramount if you have health issues or are ultra-sensitive to changes, going into the fasting experience for the 1st x amount of times...

    Pure water fasting for the 1st 18-30 hours won't hurt any healthy person, imo. Good luck & welcome!
    Yay! I'm a Jedi! (I'm a geek at heart.) Thanks for being a sounding board, I really appreciate it.

    Hmmmm, I kind of like the idea of doling out fat throughout the day in 50 calorie increments. Just go, and if hunger starts bothering me too much, then have a small bit of something. And if not, then I can pass.

    I did a 24 hour water fast last month and it went very smoothly, easy peasey. So yes, I think I'll follow your advice to start the first portion without supplementing non-insulin spiking calories. : )

    Thanks much!

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    • Okay, I ate my last food at 9 pm yesterday, had a cup of black coffee at ~ 5 am, from there it's no food or water (preparing for a surgery). Will see if I would be so sick that I skip dinner tonight as well, and take the fast for >24 hours. (Sigh) Trying to be positive about it.
      My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
      When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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      • Originally posted by lissee View Post
        Yay! I'm a Jedi!
        May the FAST be with you

        Originally posted by Betorq View Post
        The calorie thing, I interpret & keep the 50 calories max @ a time, of coconut oil or kraut
        I do kraut and CO. Can't remember why now, but I know I read something somewhere I have never tried to just have CO. And I havent just ate butter yet either ha. So the kraut seems like a good way to work the CO in.
        65lbs gone and counting!!

        Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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        • Originally posted by Leida View Post
          Okay, I ate my last food at 9 pm yesterday, had a cup of black coffee at ~ 5 am, from there it's no food or water (preparing for a surgery). Will see if I would be so sick that I skip dinner tonight as well, and take the fast for >24 hours. (Sigh) Trying to be positive about it.

          Hope all goes well with your surgery
          65lbs gone and counting!!

          Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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          • Originally posted by gopintos View Post
            May the FAST be with you

            Oh my gosh! You're brilliant! I actually, gut laughed out loud when I read that!

            I think on a thread I read somewhere it said that CO forces your body (liver?) to burn the fat, not store it (because of the medium chain fatty acid structure) and so it kind of helps propel you into fat burning mode.... At least that's the way I remember it. There may be other benefits as well.


            Good luck Leida!

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            • Thank you

              Okay, I am 20 min away from going into a meeting and then commuting for a while to get to the dental office. I am not sure if it was the absence of water, sleeping in, or the cold I have right now, but the first 14 hours were not bad. I am getting the occasional spasms in the stomach now, but no growling hunger, just the spasms. I was also cold all day and, of course, cranky. No dizziness or enlightenment experiences. No sudden joy attack either. Moving was minimal - just a normal 30 min walk to the bus. I also quickly stretched my legs walking through the building, but that was it. All I want to do right now is to be warm and sleep. But not to eat.
              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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              • Anyone looked at BPdude's rapid fat loss protocol?

                Bulletproof Rapid Fat Loss Protocol: How to Lose Fat Way Faster Than You Should The Bulletproof Executive

                I decided to give it a try. I have most of the supplements already. But I am getting hungry. He does say you can have fat if you get hungry, but the only supplement that I dont have, is the Betaine HCL to help with the digestion of the fat. So I am not sure if that is important. I am guessing so or he wouldnt have mentioned it. But he does say "you will probably need", so I dont know.

                So, I am thinking of having some broth or kraut. I like the idea that he says of "weight will come off in chunks" so I am thinking maybe I should not stray. But afraid of just scraping it all together. So I am wondering if the kraut and broth is a hack of the hack? Any thoughts?
                65lbs gone and counting!!

                Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                • Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                  So I am wondering if the kraut and broth is a hack of the hack? Any thoughts?
                  Nevahmind. I answered it myself I am a little sleep deprived also, so I forgot the things I thought I knew. I ended up back at perfect health diet, where they talk about things like fermented foods, broth, CO for a fast. So I am good to go. Sipping a nice cup of bone broth now. (well in between types)

                  However, I am glad I asked. Because as usual, my search for knowledge leads me link hopping from one place to another, and I landed on this page Perfect Health Diet: Weight Loss Version | Perfect Health Diet

                  I think the heavens opened up and the singing began. It was enlightening. And I have read it before, but never had the aha moment. I think because I was too focused on doing it "this" way that I could not see what "that" way was suggesting.

                  So after I come off my fast, I have to tweak some things. I love Paleobird and her n=1 and what it has done for her, but I did not have similar experiences. When I purposely tried to go even higher fat this last month, I gained 4lbs. So September ended with under a 2lb weight loss. Since mid-March of going LC to VLC to higher fat, to moderate protein... I have only lost not quite 20 lbs even. Now if I were closer to goal, I could see weight loss slowing down, but I am only half way there.

                  And I love Mark too, and his curve. and it helped me to go from eating 5,6,7 small meals to getting by with less food and to knowing which foods satiate me and which ones do not. But when I began my journey, my macros were total opposite, and I was losing 8 - 10lbs a month. But I was hungrier and eating all the time, and I thought there had to be a better way, so I researched and landed here.

                  In reading PHD, this jumped at me today. In fact in tackled me down!
                  This may surprise many readers, since we’re fat-friendly, but there should be no reduction in carb or protein consumption on weight loss diets. Calorie restriction should come out of fat.
                  This is what I have been seeing as I look over my tracking logs. I was losing more weight eating more carbs, moderate protein, and lower fats. I think all the things I was adding in to get the extra fat, was to my detriment. Granted, I was hungrier so I think if I can apply what I have learned as far as satiating foods, taking out the crap carbs like grains, I think I may have just figured out what I need to do for me.

                  I think I have also proved to myself though, that once I hit maintenance that PB suits me and I can easily maintain. It is the way we grew up eating and we were all lean. I could continue to lose the weight this way, but at 1-2lbs per month, it will take me 5+ more years! I can't wait that long. I know it might not be much in the scheme of things, and had I started 5 years ago, I would be there. But anyways, I think I might have figured out where I went wrong and how I can fix it All I can do is try, and if it doesnt work, try something else
                  65lbs gone and counting!!

                  Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                  • Don't forget stress. I've been incredibly, unbelievably stressed over the past three weeks, and not only did I stall, I went up 5 lbs from my low of 203 and then stalled.. If you've been stressed at all, your body will hold on to the weight. How's your sleep? Mines been pretty lowsy lately.

                    This may surprise many readers, since we’re fat-friendly, but there should be no reduction in carb or protein consumption on weight loss diets. Calorie restriction should come out of fat.
                    This didn't work for me. The only thing I did eating this way, was gain weight, stall, then gain some more weight.

                    Yes, I had read the BPC guy's weight-loss fasting plan. I found his few posts on how to lose weight quickly, very confusing and thought it was a lot of hype. Especially to buy his coffee. When I finally navigated his links correctly (why does he have 40 million links pointing to the same page over and over again in the same article?) and then did searches on his site to find if I was missing anything, then I sat back and really thought about the little information that he had shared.

                    For me, most of it was hype. The other half was promoting his organic cleanly sourced coffee (I don't drink coffee), and the other small bits talked about how to do a healthy long term fast, aka keep eating some calories through fat so your body doesn't go into starvation mode. I found those bits and parts interesting.

                    I wouldn't worry too much about not having the supplement to aid in fat digestion. From what I've read, I'm starting to think the supplemental digestive enzymes are there to help the body out. That as our diets change, and we slowly adapt, that eventually, if we're healthyish and don't have other major things wrong, that our bodies will begin to make a sufficient number of the those fat burning enzymes for us on it's own. So I would say, just go for it. You can order the enzymes later if you're having issues.

                    I actually already supplement with some of the items on BPC's lis't but I didn't really feel the need to run out and buy more stuff.

                    Okay, so as for the eat more fat issue. I think that's what's cool. We're all such individuals, having to find what works for us. For me, the ketosis way of eating has been great. I've really embraced the fat thing and usually get closer to 80% fat in my macros. I've been experiencing a level of satiety that has been wonderful. Sometimes I get the munchies, but I've found that for me, it's nutrient driven. If I take a magnesium pill, then it goes away.

                    I'm severely insulin resistant, (was tested by my doctor last Nov.) and now, 11 months later after eating fairly cleanly, I'm still insulin resistant. I've found for me, that I cannot have a carby re-feed 1 or 2 times a week. I can't have sugary fruit. I no longer eat apples or bananas or mangoes, or oranges, or any starchy vegetables (unless I'm cheating). I do have raspberries and blueberries on occasion. But anyway, if I have any of those things, then my weight loss stalls for 3-5 days. For this reason, the ketosis thing has worked well for me. 6 lbs in August, 6 pounds in September, both included stalls for cheats. If I hadn't cheated, then I could have lost more, but then I'm human. And sane right now. So I foresee cheats continuing to be part of my future.

                    On the other hand, I've heard of people like yourself that really don't do well on the ketosis type of eating, which is exciting. We're all so different. Yet have the same fundamentals. Live healthily, eat cleanly sourced foods, enjoy life. It's the journey that's fun, and finding out what's best for your own body.


                    Okay, wow, I need to learn how to type less. Sorry about the long thought ramble. I want to say good luck to you! Please let us know how the BPC fast is going.

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                    • Originally posted by lissee View Post
                      On the other hand, I've heard of people like yourself that really don't do well on the ketosis type of eating, which is exciting. We're all so different. Yet have the same fundamentals. Live healthily, eat cleanly sourced foods, enjoy life. It's the journey that's fun, and finding out what's best for your own body.


                      Okay, wow, I need to learn how to type less. Sorry about the long thought ramble. I want to say good luck to you! Please let us know how the BPC fast is going.
                      Love the rambles, reminds me of me haha

                      I wish we were all more the same, so someone could say do this and this and it would just work PPL say give it time.... and if there is one thing I am, it's stubborn. I mean persistent so I pressed on. But it just isnt working. Well it is working for satiating - that has been nice, getting full on less - and it as been a slow drop since March so that is good, but it looks like if I want to focus on the weight loss, I do better with no more than a 3 way split in macros. I may even need to reduce fat even further.

                      Gosh I hate that. I was loving all the fat, and I love singing the fat doesnt make you fat song, and I did have slooooow loss. So when I tweaked and upped the fat and dropped the protein and carbs even farther, well that was a mistake for me. Fasting gets it back down, but I have been struggling with the same few pounds up and down for almost 1.5 months. At least with 50% fat, I was losing about 4lbs a month. It doesnt seem to matter what the calories are, unless I am doing a modified fast with a little fat. That seems to help.

                      I went ahead and ended the fast last night, armed with this new information. I had first wanted to press on, because well, I was just tired of thinking about the macros and just frustrated with not having any more progress than I have, so I thought well let's just try this protocol. And I still might, if this doesnt work.

                      Sorry to derail the thread. I am not sure what this will do to my fasting. The fat does help me fast. I know I still need to once in awhile for the health benefits, but I really want to get this weight off, so I need to cut the fat. I either need to cut it this new way, or cut it via fasting. I haven't really decided yet this morning. I am not starving like I thought I might be. So I might just push on with kraut and broth, maybe eat later in the day. I am just not sure yet
                      65lbs gone and counting!!

                      Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                      • It's nice to find another rambler like myself. I always start out meaning to write less, a sentence or two, and pretty soon my words breed like rabbits and my posts end up being really long.....

                        Just finished the first 24. Was feeling a little hungry, or like I wanted to eat something. The new brand of kraut I picked up at the store I found has sugar in it. At least it tasted pretty sweet when I tried a little bit of it, so I set it back down. I saw my jar of pickles, and sipped some of the extra liquid. Wow! did it taste GOOD! (Must be needing the salt!)

                        I decided to warm up some chicken broth, so as I was waiting for it to heat, I saw my jar of bacon drippings (yes I know it's not coconut oil...) and I tried a little. WOW! That tasted good too! Not fatty (like it should have) and it was so fun to run into salty little bits of cooked goodness. I added a dollop of that to the chicken broth.

                        I tried a little butter too while the broth was heating. Interestingly, it immediately triggered cravings for me. I added some to the chicken broth, but I don't think I'll be trying it cold by itself for the rest of the fast.

                        So here I am, stuffed on broth, fat, and pickle juice (from actual dill pickles) and I am STUFFED! And satiated. Who'd have thunk?

                        Also, mid-day I found myself lamenting the fact that I started this fast on an evening meal. Mentally, I think it's easier for me to do lunch to lunch, you know, it's only three days, plus two halves. (Or on a 24 hour fast, just half a day, and half a day) lol So at mid-day I thought to myself, okay then. "Self, if you really want to fast until lunchtime, then great, just go an extra 18 hours to lunch the next day and then you'll be good."

                        I found it fascinating that immediately, my anxiety quieted down and I crazily felt okay going into the 5th day. Just between me and you, no, I don't think I'll go into the fifth day, but I thought it was very, very interesting that it happened like this. The mind is such a powerful thing. Isn't it?

                        How's that for a ramble? .... Again, only meant to type a line or two...

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                        • Originally posted by lissee View Post
                          I found it fascinating that immediately, my anxiety quieted down and I crazily felt okay going into the 5th day. Just between me and you, no, I don't think I'll go into the fifth day, but I thought it was very, very interesting that it happened like this. The mind is such a powerful thing. Isn't it?

                          How's that for a ramble? .... Again, only meant to type a line or two...
                          Enjoyed it. My mind is much more at ease today. I start to get to a place of "I got this!" and then I read something else, and realize, I dont got this. So I dont know that I was stressing per se, but anxiety might be a good word. But I feel much more in control and calm today. I had decided to let go of the "stress" of my weight loss Monday, and I think that helped me to absorb what I read yesterday and see how it applied to me. So I feel at peace today.

                          So, I didnt eat alot last night and yet I am not really all that hungry but starting to, so reading your post is inspiring in regards to should I press on or eat. I dont want to have any BPC if I am also going to eat in the same day. I want to save my fat for my meals. It wasnt a big deal before when I didnt care about how much fat but only watching calories & carbs. Now that I am watching fat, well it is a game changer for sure. But DH wants to be Gomez for Halloween and if I am going to be Morticia rather than Pugsley or Uncle Fester, I am thinking I should press on and see where that takes me Pickle juice is sounding pretty good! ha
                          65lbs gone and counting!!

                          Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                          • Good morning everyone, I'm 2 1/2 days in. (Wow I really like the starting in the middle of the day thing. Oh well, now I know.)

                            Last night right as I went to sleep I had the most awful acid reflux for a few minutes. I've had acid reflux for a long while, popped pepcid AC like candy for a long time, took Prilosec for a while, stopped that 9 months ago. But I still get flareups kind of regularly (but not as bad as before.)

                            Two weeks ago, I started getting clued in that maybe I have an ulcer. I often get reflux in between meals or when I've skipped a meal, now I know I get it while fasting. So my question to you all is this, do you get heartburn when you fast? Do you think it could be H. Pylori? I did a little internet research, and it appears that H. Pylori ulcers can flare up when the stomach is empty...

                            Does anyone know what feeds H. Pylori? (Is it sugars? Carbs? Protein? Fat?) Or does anyone know what kills it? I've been on antibiotics so much during the past 3 years that I'm not too interested in taking more. I found a link to this supplement in another thread here at MDA, maybe this will help?

                            Amazon.com: Biotics Research - Bio-HPF 180C: Health & Personal Care
                            Product Description
                            BIO-HPF is a combination of medicinal herbs and minerals that have been shown by clinical research to be effective in alleviating gastric ulcers and gastritis (inflammation of the stomach lining). Use this product to aid in the healing of duodenal ulcers and inflammation. This product also targets the microorganism (Helicobacter pylori) that has been shown to be associated with stomach ulcers. Two (2) capsules supply: Proprietary Blend: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,200 mg Licorice Root (deglycrrhized), Bentonite Clay, Slippery Elm Bark, Myrrh (Commiphora mol-mol) (gum resin), Bismuth Citrate, Clove (Syzygium gromaticum) (flower bud), Berberine (HCI), Anise Powder (seed) Berberis vulgaris (bark), Mahonia aquafolium (root), and Baptista tinctura (aerial).

                            Thanks for your help on this....

                            @ Gopintos, okay, so yesterday night I found myself endlessly surfing a few posts over at BPC again, and now I'm wondering which fast you're doing. The BPC Intermittent fast that's not intermittent (Aka daily with the eating window in the evening)? Or the BPC Fast Burning Fat Loss Protocol? I have to say I'm now really intrigued by the BPC Fast Burning protocol, I think if I tired something like that, I'd take kraut everyday like Betorq suggested so that it will help my digestive system. What do you think? Also, I'm wondering if an extended Bullet-Proof fast (I'd do mine w/o coffee but still add the fat) would have some similar autophagic results to a long water fast?

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                            • I find that I am sooooooo hungry lying in bed at night that I don't think that I would be able to fast longer than 24 ! any tips on how to go a little longer without being keep awake with hunger pangs ???
                              thoughts please !!!!
                              "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                              ...small steps....

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                              • Just a few thoughts, the others might have some better ideas, but
                                1) Try starting your fast at lunch Then by the time you hit dinner that first night, you're not really hungry yet. (Of course this doesn't help you on the 2nd evening.)

                                2) There's been some discussion on this thread about doing modified fasts (especially with the women), so perhaps try eating a little butter or coconut oil (by itself or in a cup of tea or something) just before dinner.

                                3) The closer your body is to the ketogenic zone when you start, the easier it is to fast, because your body is already in full-on fat burning mode.

                                I'm 2 1/2 days into a modified fast right now, so far so good. I've only had very slight hunger pangs so far, and those only started at the 23 hour mark and so I started eating a little, by adding chicken broth w/bacon grease and some butter.

                                Are you doing a strict water fast? How many days are you shooting for?
                                Last edited by lissee; 10-04-2012, 11:49 PM.

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