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  • Originally posted by gopintos View Post
    I was just reading last night, two brothers I think, athletes.
    It was the email from Eat Stop Eat.

    Here is the email

    Hi Melinda,

    Every once in a while I get the rare opportunity to watch some
    college football. Living in Canada, I don't get a lot of NCAA
    coverage on television, so when I do, its a real treat.

    I can remember one game I caught this season where the announcers
    were actually talking about fasting.

    Apparently, one of the players on the Washington Cougars practices
    fasting, and during this particular game, he was right in the
    middle of a fast.

    This player wasn't fasting for weight loss, (he was already
    incredibly lean and muscular) but interestingly even while
    following a regimen of short-term fasting he was still able to play
    a very high level sport that involves very explosive and intense
    periods of activity, that can go on for hours.

    Even more interesting is that his older brother plays in the NFL,
    and he also fasts.

    Fasting during an NFL game - talk about intense!

    These two brothers are a perfect example of what I have found with
    theEat Stop Eat lifestyle.You can workout while you are fasting
    without feeling tired or performing poorly.

    In fact, I feel an amazing amount of energy when I workout while
    fasting!

    The cool thing is, this is exactly what some recent research on
    fasting has found - fasting doesn't slow you down.

    In a research study published in the journal of Sports Science and
    Medicine, ten elite power athletes were studied before, during and
    after 30 days of intermittent fasting. The researchers found that
    there was no drop in performance during their fasts or even in the
    days after their 30 day fasting period. Pretty impressive
    considering the guys were ELITE athletes.

    So, just like the NCAA and NFL football players I was telling you
    about, these athletes were able to fast and still perform at a
    super high level.

    I do my best workouts while fasting. It allows me to attack them
    with a clear head and that feeling of alert-energy you can only get
    when you are fasting. If you haven't tried this yet, you need to.

    The experience is eye-opening.

    Brad
    www.EatStopEat.com
    65lbs gone and counting!!

    Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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    • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
      As far as working goes, you do need to mind your electrolytes so as not to get lightheaded. I found that being in ketosis already when the fast began gave me much less of a first day "OMG if I don't get some food right now I'm going to die" feeling. I was hungry but it was very manageable.
      I'm wondering about the electrolytes for myself, especially on an extended (1 week or longer) fast. I think you PB and Betorq, both mentioned some experiences with getting light-headed on this last fast. I don't seem to get that at all, but on my long fast I had periods of extreme lethargy. Adding salt seemed to help a bit, but that also seems to kick in my hunger. I used salt on this last 90 hour fast, and it seemed to give some initial flavor satisfaction but then also triggered my hunger.

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      • How long into the switch to primal can you begin I.F.? I have a 24 hour work day every 4 days and normal workdays throughout the week..usually weekends too. I would like to use those every 4 days for I.F.

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        • Originally posted by Piscator View Post
          I'm wondering about the electrolytes for myself, especially on an extended (1 week or longer) fast. I think you PB and Betorq, both mentioned some experiences with getting light-headed on this last fast. I don't seem to get that at all, but on my long fast I had periods of extreme lethargy. Adding salt seemed to help a bit, but that also seems to kick in my hunger. I used salt on this last 90 hour fast, and it seemed to give some initial flavor satisfaction but then also triggered my hunger.
          I don't know how warm it's been in Atlanta where Betorq is but it's been pretty warm here. I think my woozy head feeling may have also been due to some dehydration. I would like to do a 7-10 day fast later in the fall when it cools off a bit.

          I never had the feeling like salt stimulated hunger. If anything for me it killed it.

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          • Originally posted by ozzy View Post
            How long into the switch to primal can you begin I.F.? I have a 24 hour work day every 4 days and normal workdays throughout the week..usually weekends too. I would like to use those every 4 days for I.F.
            I would recommend getting your Primal eating and fitness plan going solid for a few months first before you jump into fasting.

            There was a series of three posts here by a guy named pklopp on fasting. Do a search on those and read up a bit. PK really knows his stuff. His blog , Cogito Ergo Edo is, also a good resource.

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            • I'll take a look..thanks for the help I'm pretty eager i just dont want to jump into it too soon

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              • Well then, fasting on work days it is! Thanks Gopintos, Paleobird, and Piscator!

                Very good point about the kraut, and it being so very low in calories. I'm thinking about starting to ferment a jar today. But have some in the fridge.

                Maybe I'll try my own 4-day fast later in the week. I think for this first go around I'll do the first two days on Thurs/Friday, so that the last two are on the weekend, just in case my electrolyte balance goes off and I go loopy! lol It's cooler here now (Fall is my favorite season!) so I won't have to worry so much about dehydration from the heat.

                Ooooo! I'm starting to get really excited about this.

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                • Originally posted by ozzy View Post
                  I'll take a look..thanks for the help I'm pretty eager i just dont want to jump into it too soon
                  Believe me when I say, it'll be a lot easier if you're fat adapted, or are almost in the ketosis zone already. I did a 24-hour fast last week and it was easy-peasy.

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                  • Ozzy- as a non-numbers way of figuring it, I would suggest you wait until you find yourself naturally skipping a meal, and not even noticing it, as in, 'I've been working on this project for six hours now, oh my goodness, is that the time? I should have eaten hours ago!'. You are almost certainly fat-adapted if that happens, and will be able to ignore your hunger/put it on hold when you fast. Before that point, you may have to be fighting blood sugar issues, as well as hunger and/or habit.

                    Going very low carb (20 grams or fewer- seems you just can't get away from counting SOMETHING, doesn't it! ) helps many people reach this state quickly.

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                    • I think I just ate my last meal for a few... days Going for 48.
                      65lbs gone and counting!!

                      Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                      • Yesterday I read the whole Eat Stop Eat book by Brad Pilon. I had read *about* it but not actually read it. Some very good info in there debunking the whole "You have to eat every so often or you will go into starvation mode and your metabolism will crash" nonsense.

                        He seems to be saying that the benefits of fasting are really kicking in at about the 24 hour point with no food but yet he recommends doing two separate 24 hour fasts per week. I think he is doing this just for the convenience and sustainability factor. Getting people to stick with it is easier this way. But I think one 48 hour fast in each week would be a good way to go. Pilon also shows the cumulative effects of fasting over time. Yes, you do lose "water weight " that comes back but over time when you do this consistently there is a downward trend.

                        Very interesting book. He basically says that it doesn't matter that much what you eat. Of course he says that healthy food is better than eating junk but that is just sort of a given. He doesn't try to dictate, Eat this, not that.

                        He says the body only has two states, fed and fasted. You are either in one or the other, no in between, either fat storing or fat burning. He says that it comes down to giving your body a long enough stretch in the fasted state to clean house and burn fat.

                        Both his graphs and those of pklopp, who did a series on fasting here a while back, show the maximum benefits of fasting topping out somewhere around the end of day two, about 40-48 hours in. So I'm thinking that one 48 hour stretch per week consistently every week for a while might be a more valuable experiment than pushing the boundaries of how long one can go for one looooong fast.

                        Hmm. Food for thought.

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                        • I went to bed early tonight but woke up, as I think the siren call of PB's illuminating keystrokes beckoned me here...

                          I'm just starting another 48 hour fast, had 2 fatty, low carb, low protein meals earlier today, to hasten a ketogenic response. Will break this fast this time with same, fatty & low or no carb, low protein. I think, like PB, that 48 hours is the sweet spot. So maybe I won't do a 10 day fast in Hawaii in November after all, as it might be too harsh, & actually metabolically better to just keep doing a weekly series of 48s. Although I must admit that one 100 hour I did was a cool feeling...When you fast for a longish time, you kinda start to feel like you could just keep doing this, the not eating thing. jaja...
                          "Science is not belief but the will to find out." ~ Anonymous
                          "Culture of the mind must be subservient to the heart." ~ Gandhi
                          "The flogging will continue until morale improves." ~ Unknown

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                          • I didn't realize my keystrokes had cross continental reach.

                            It would be kind of interesting to do a really long one sometime, just to see what it feels like. I think there can be a danger in getting the idea in your head of "I am going to fast for X# of days and nothing is going to stop me". Perseverance and willpower are good but there is a fine line between strong minded and hard headed. It might be interesting to just start fasting with no particular fixed goal and see what happens.

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                            • I have a friend who was talking about the Eat Stop Eat book for a while, now I guess I'd better go get a copy! Thanks.

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                              • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                                It would be kind of interesting to do a really long one sometime, just to see what it feels like. I think there can be a danger in getting the idea in your head of "I am going to fast for X# of days and nothing is going to stop me". Perseverance and willpower are good but there is a fine line between strong minded and hard headed.
                                People who do fasts like that are just idiots.
                                Let me know when you want to do something crazy like that and then just offer me a challenge. I'm here to cross that fine line between strong headed and hard minded...

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