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  • #46
    Originally posted by Paysan View Post
    My mate has a diagnosed Type 2 diabetes, but so far can manage with very strict (most times) carb control. But it is accompanied by a great intake of water, and bathroom visits. Still wondering.
    Lots of water and frequent bathroom breaks are huge signs of raised blood sugars, I don't think he is managing at all. Just an opinion from a Type II.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by WeldingHank View Post
      Lots of water and frequent bathroom breaks are huge signs of raised blood sugars, I don't think he is managing at all. Just an opinion from a Type II.
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      • #48
        Good luck with your modifications!! I've read that all oral diabetes II drugs encourage weight gain except metformin. My husband is on a combo of metformin, Victoza (very expensive but also seems to promote weight loss), and mostly paleo/low carb eating. Atkins Diabetes Revolution says that Atkins only prescribed metformin &, as needed, insulin, but that was before the Victoza class of drugs came out. My husband was in the 300 fbs range when diagnosed and now is consistently below 120. But like I say, Victoza is really pricey at sticker $400 per month for the top dosing. We've gotten a lot of samples from the doctor and that helps cut the cost. The drug, if you can tolerate or don't have significant gastrointestinal issues with it, has a terrific track record. I know this is a bit off topic from the 'lifestyle as medicine' flavor of the forum but I wanted to share our success in case it will be helpful. Also from my reading I believe that if it takes insulin to get your blood sugars under control, do it and don't look back.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by WeldingHank View Post
          Lots of water and frequent bathroom breaks are huge signs of raised blood sugars, I don't think he is managing at all. Just an opinion from a Type II.
          That is why we question the Type 2 diagnosis. All of our kids have been hearty drinkers since birth, just like their parent. The blood sugars are fine, says doc a week ago. I don't agree. Metformin has a zombifying effect; insulin not warranted. Glucose monitors used frequently show any deviations from strictness; and work to keep us honest.;-)

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Paysan View Post
            Type 2 Diabetics may indeed damage their pancreas beyond repair and will always be diabetic, but recovery is possible. Type 1 diabetics have antibodies to their pancreatic cells that utterly destroy their pancreas and cannot be cured, only controlled, and with insulin. But there's an interim Type 1.5 diabetes (diabetes insipidus) that shares characteristics with Type 1 in that antibodies may develop much later than usual, thus confounding the diagnosis. D.I. is marked by huge thirst and liquid intake, but often can be controlled enough by diet to avoid insulin for months or maybe years. Eventually, as far as currently known, insulin is on the horizon. My mate has a diagnosed Type 2 diabetes, but so far can manage with very strict (most times) carb control. But it is accompanied by a great intake of water, and bathroom visits. Still wondering.
            I don't think this is correct, actually. Diabetes insipidus is the inabilitiy of the kidneys to retain water, but it has nothing to do with blood glucose control. The only thing the two have in common is the name diabetes but they are very different diseases.

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            • #51
              Just thought I would post an update here. This morning my fasting sugars were 115. I could not believe it so I tested a second time poking a finger on the other hand. Yep 115. This is day 9 of following the Blood Sugar Solution. I cannot belive it. Hopefully this is not a fluke, but we have 33 more days to go in this n=1. I have not been this low since before being Primal and on insulin.

              What is the difference between today's 115 and yesterday's 212, I worked out for the first time since starting this 42 days. Being sick and a whole lot of work kept me from working out. Got my fingers crossed.
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              • #52
                Excellent progress, Tormag. I'm curious. How is your eating different on the Blood Sugar Solution compared to regular old Primal? When I listened to Dr, Hyman's presentation on PBS, the two seemed to be overlapping quite a bit.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  Excellent progress, Tormag. I'm curious. How is your eating different on the Blood Sugar Solution compared to regular old Primal? When I listened to Dr, Hyman's presentation on PBS, the two seemed to be overlapping quite a bit.
                  Doing a little combination. You are right, he is very close to Primal, but allows legumes, which I am not doing. It is more like a Whole 30 or Leptin reset. No Starch, No Dairy, No Fruit and No Coffee. The coffee and dairy part is killing me. I did not realize how much coffee I drink with Whole Whipping cream. I am dragging in the afternoons without my cup.... I am definitely in Ketosis, got the whole metallic taste going on in the mouth.

                  I was eating, starch, fruit and dairy... No mas. Starch was in the form of sweet potatoes and occasional rice. I would have an apple hear and there. Dairy in the form of whole whipping cream in the coffee and cheese.

                  I forgot to mention, based on your input, I have increased my fat intake and dropped the protien calories.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                    I am dragging in the afternoons without my cup.... I am definitely in Ketosis, got the whole metallic taste going on in the mouth.
                    From one diabetic to another, I don't know what your experience is with ketosis (if you have been there before) But if you haven't, just wait 1-2 more days and see what happens. OMG, the first time I felt like there was nothing that could stop me, seemingly limitless even energy through the day.

                    But, if you've been there before, you know what to expect LOL.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                      Doing a little combination. You are right, he is very close to Primal, but allows legumes, which I am not doing. It is more like a Whole 30 or Leptin reset. No Starch, No Dairy, No Fruit and No Coffee. The coffee and dairy part is killing me. I did not realize how much coffee I drink with Whole Whipping cream. I am dragging in the afternoons without my cup.... I am definitely in Ketosis, got the whole metallic taste going on in the mouth.

                      I was eating, starch, fruit and dairy... No mas. Starch was in the form of sweet potatoes and occasional rice. I would have an apple hear and there. Dairy in the form of whole whipping cream in the coffee and cheese.

                      I forgot to mention, based on your input, I have increased my fat intake and dropped the protien calories.
                      I bet you could get away with the high fat dairy if you just put it in a decaf drink. Have you tried Crio Bru yet? It was Dr. Bork Bork, another diabetic, who turned me on to it. It's roasted ground, then brewed cocoa beans. Heavenly.

                      I think dropping the spuds, rice and fruit makes a lot of sense. Maybe later when things have stabilized you can bring the fruit back in moderation. I know my Dad, also a T2D, has been doing great on primal but every time he binges out on fruit, his ankles puff up again. Drops the fruit, swelling goes down. He's starting to believe me now.

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                      • #56
                        Never heard of Crio Bru, but just checked out their website and placed an order on amazon.... Look forward to trying it. You mention your father's ankles, heck I had cankles before going Primal. I could press my finger into my ankles and leave a dent. After a year of Primal health, my ankles have gone back to normal. I hope your dad jumps in fully....
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                          Never heard of Crio Bru, but just checked out their website and placed an order on amazon.... Look forward to trying it. You mention your father's ankles, heck I had cankles before going Primal. I could press my finger into my ankles and leave a dent. After a year of Primal health, my ankles have gone back to normal. I hope your dad jumps in fully....
                          Oh, he's in, he just backslides occasionally, usually with a fruit binge. It was the diabetic neuropathy pains in his feet that first convinced him that there might be something to my "weird internet diet".

                          He has gotten off a statin, two BP meds, and a heart med and now has 115/65 BP consistently. It has been amazing to watch the uptick in general wellbeing, alertness, energy level, etc. in him. He's 86 and still out cutting trees and fixing rain gutters.

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