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  • #31
    Originally posted by TorMag View Post
    Thanks people, a lot of good things to think over. Day 4's Morning BS was 191 a slight rise could be because I ate at 10:30 last night.

    According to Paleobird’s calculations here it goes…

    HSIS
    240 lbs = 108.9 kg
    Protein range = 98 – 118 grams
    Carbs = 54 grams
    Fats = 216 – 378 range ?

    Wow, not sure where I would eat all those fats???????
    How funny~I ate after dinner (more grass-fed meatloaf) and I was also slightly up today! I usually don't eat after dinner but strenous activity meant I was starving yesterday. Sounds like we are getting our own process figured out.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by longing2bfit View Post
      How funny~I ate after dinner (more grass-fed meatloaf) and I was also slightly up today! I usually don't eat after dinner but strenous activity meant I was starving yesterday. Sounds like we are getting our own process figured out.
      Sure does. In the book, Dr. Hyman says not to eat at least three hours before bed time.... Could be right. I will make sure I do not do that tonight and see how things fair. Also planing on doing at least 20 minutes of Viking Warrior today, will be intersted to see how that effects things
      Last edited by TorMag; 08-30-2012, 08:56 AM.
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      • #33
        I'd think it would be best for you to only eat once a day for now - just to give your body a chance at lowering it's sugar level. You need to spend as much time not spiking your blood sugar as possible. Multiple eatings mean multiple spikes.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by TorMag View Post
          Sure doee. In the book, Dr. Hyman says not to eat at least three hours before bed time.... Could be right. I will make sure I do not do that tonight and see how things fair. Also planing on doing at least 20 minutes of Viking Warrior today, will be intersted to see how that effects things
          Just finished lightening to Richard Johnson via Mercola interview.

          He says if you eat your last meal at 5PM and do not eat until the next day (No snacking), perhaps 8 in the morning, you will deplete the glycogen stored in your liver at around 2 am and burn fat until you eat your next meal. Perhaps you might try this?
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Lily Marie View Post
            I'd think it would be best for you to only eat once a day for now - just to give your body a chance at lowering it's sugar level. You need to spend as much time not spiking your blood sugar as possible. Multiple eatings mean multiple spikes.
            That is counter to everything I have read. Diabetics are supposed to eat throught the day, trying to keep blood sugar consistent. I had been doing IF for the last 6 months and wondering if that was one of the reasons my BS wasm't getting better..
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Moochy View Post
              Just finished lightening to Richard Johnson via Mercola interview.

              He says if you eat your last meal at 5PM and do not eat until the next day (No snacking), perhaps 8 in the morning, you will deplete the glycogen stored in your liver at around 2 am and burn fat until you eat your next meal. Perhaps you might try this?
              I am still at work at 5:00, but yeah, I get your point. I am trying to eat as soon as I get home. Last night was an exception.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                That is counter to everything I have read. Diabetics are supposed to eat throught the day, trying to keep blood sugar consistent. I had been doing IF for the last 6 months and wondering if that was one of the reasons my BS wasm't getting better..

                That's only true if your blood sugar levels are normal. How can keeping an elevated blood sugar level be good for you? I know we're all different, even diabetics - but if you track your blood sugar levels through the day, you'll probably see that your numbers are high before you eat your second meal. Why spike them up again?

                Unless your blood sugar drops down into the low 50's from not eating, it's not swinging out of control.

                Even eating once a day, if you eat too much protein or carbs - it will keep you elevated at a dangerous level. It's better to scale back and let the levels come back down. Then when stablized, slowly add more back in to see what you can really handle.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Lily Marie View Post
                  That's only true if your blood sugar levels are normal. How can keeping an elevated blood sugar level be good for you? I know we're all different, even diabetics - but if you track your blood sugar levels through the day, you'll probably see that your numbers are high before you eat your second meal. Why spike them up again?

                  Unless your blood sugar drops down into the low 50's from not eating, it's not swinging out of control.

                  Even eating once a day, if you eat too much protein or carbs - it will keep you elevated at a dangerous level. It's better to scale back and let the levels come back down. Then when stablized, slowly add more back in to see what you can really handle.
                  You might be right, my memory is coming back to me. How I got to the Blood Sugar Solution was on a different thread I had posted where I saw an article on the LA Times website where they talked about an English study that showed where Fasting for 30 days had cured diabetes.

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                  • #39
                    Sure does. In the book, Dr. Hyman says not to eat at least three hours before bed time.... Could be right. I will make sure I do not do that tonight and see how things fair. Also planing on doing at least 20 minutes of Viking Warrior today, will be intersted to see how that effects things
                    That's the hardest thing for me to achieve since I am back home from work no earlier than 5 pm, and often after 6 pm (if I went to the gym) and I go to bed around 8 pm, fall asleep by 9 pm. So, by the time dinner is cooked, and seeing I take about 1-2 hours to eat my supper.... That requirement was always a problem for me on any diet. I get up around 4 am, and don't eat till about 9 -10 am, easily, but not eating in the evening, that's a hard one. I haven't even tried so far.
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                    • #40
                      Sheesh!

                      I just tried the formula PaleoBird posted yesterday. My 1 hour post meal number is 178! So high!
                      Cutting down the protein to 67g and raising the carbs to almost 30 is not good for me.

                      I had 340g ground beef, 120g raw carrot, 1.5 cups of canned coconut milk.

                      Looks like it's back to more protein and less carbs until I'm truly stable. I've noticed I can handle a day of max carbs if my blood sugar level has been steady for a few weeks(it hasn't).

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                      • #41
                        My N=1 is my bs was creeping higher and higher doing only one meal per day (dinner). As soon as I added the 8 AM boiled egg and noontime salad to my routine which lowered my total dinner amount of food at 4:30 my bs started to stabilize. Doing dinner only my fasting early AM bs was up in the 140's (now ranging 101-105) and my before dinner was 111-120 with 2-3 hr past dinner around 140. Now I am in the 80-90's at three hours past meals and 80's before bed as long as I do not eat after dinner. I did have to lover my protein from 90 plus grams per day down to between 50-60. I also have to walk a minimum of 1-2 hour every single day to keep the numbers low!! When ever I miss a day they creep slightly regardless of food scenerio.

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                        • #42
                          Time of day is a factor for me. I can eat 1x a day and do really well - if it's morning or noon that I eat. When evening hits (4pm and later) and I eat then, my blood sugar numbers start creeping up.

                          11am is my prime meal time.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                            According to Paleobird’s calculations here it goes…

                            HSIS
                            240 lbs = 108.9 kg
                            Protein range = 98 – 118 grams
                            Carbs = 54 grams
                            Fats = 216 – 378 range ?

                            Wow, not sure where I would eat all those fats???????
                            I figure my protein on the high end of the range and my fat on the low end. Also your idea of HSIS may be a bit high. You're quite tall IIRC but still maybe 220 instead of 240? Not talking about your reasonable mature target weight here. Talking about the weight at which agents would be beating on your door to get you to sign an underwear modeling contract with Calvin Klein.

                            Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                            You might be right, my memory is coming back to me. How I got to the Blood Sugar Solution was on a different thread I had posted where I saw an article on the LA Times website where they talked about an English study that showed where Fasting for 30 days had cured diabetes.

                            Type 2 diabetes cure, extreme diet - Los Angeles Times
                            Interesting. There have been studies with similar extreme fasts which have cured epilepsy.

                            Originally posted by Lily Marie View Post
                            I just tried the formula PaleoBird posted yesterday. My 1 hour post meal number is 178! So high!
                            Cutting down the protein to 67g and raising the carbs to almost 30 is not good for me.

                            I had 340g ground beef, 120g raw carrot, 1.5 cups of canned coconut milk.

                            Looks like it's back to more protein and less carbs until I'm truly stable. I've noticed I can handle a day of max carbs if my blood sugar level has been steady for a few weeks(it hasn't).
                            Wait, wait, wait. Maybe I didn't make that clear. That carb number was meant to be a max limit, not a target to aim for. No need to raise your carbs if you can comfortably keep them lower. Sorry for any confusion.
                            Last edited by Paleobird; 08-30-2012, 02:52 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Based on that formula I am eating way too much protein. Guess I need to change up my N=1.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                                Hank, that was what was frustrating me the most, you would think with just the weight loss I would have been doing better. Having read Dr. Hyman's book, I think I have worn my pancreas out. I have been type II for 13 years. With insulin sensitivity, your pancreas kicks out more and more insulin to bring down the blood sugars, at some point it poops out and type II's can become type I's. I think I am getting close to that. The good news, one of the herbs that he recommends, gymnema sylvestre has been proven to help the pancreas rebuild. Hoping that I have caught everything in time...
                                Type 2 Diabetics may indeed damage their pancreas beyond repair and will always be diabetic, but recovery is possible. Type 1 diabetics have antibodies to their pancreatic cells that utterly destroy their pancreas and cannot be cured, only controlled, and with insulin. But there's an interim Type 1.5 diabetes (diabetes insipidus) that shares characteristics with Type 1 in that antibodies may develop much later than usual, thus confounding the diagnosis. D.I. is marked by huge thirst and liquid intake, but often can be controlled enough by diet to avoid insulin for months or maybe years. Eventually, as far as currently known, insulin is on the horizon. My mate has a diagnosed Type 2 diabetes, but so far can manage with very strict (most times) carb control. But it is accompanied by a great intake of water, and bathroom visits. Still wondering.

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