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  • #16
    May I join the amazon club? I'm 5'10" only quite a bit stockier than you all. My ideal weight would be close to 170 and my "will live with" weight is about 185!! That puts me at a size 12-14 and that makes me happy. My wrists are larger that dh who is 6'4"!! Our leg length is also the same!! LOL Very short waisted here. That said I have about 40 to lose...

    I am having similar issues to you in regard to the alcohol. Love my red wine while making dinner but then it turns into 2 or 3. If I do nothing else but drop that I lose weight. Took a month off it when I hurt my back and felt really good. However I have been having a bit of a pity party lately. Have ditched grains, firstly for health and secondly for a gluten intolerance. Heart burn and reflux gone. Cravings mostly gone. Losing weight. So now I am thinking about ditching the wine too.

    Here's my problem. I love food. I love to cook. I read recipe magazines. I love to eat. So the grains are gone and that cuts out a lot of my favorite foods. Cut out the wine too and I have nothing to look forward to. Made hubby a nice salad the other day(shrimp, artichoke hearts, hearts of palm, avocado) and started crying as we were eating because it just didn't taste all that great to me. He was having crab cakes (bread crumbs in them) and rice. I really wanted the crab cakes. Its like I have nothing to look forward to anymore. Oh yeah because I really dont like meat. I'll eat eggs, cheese, bacon, sliced meat. Eating a chunk of flesh does nothing for me.

    Sorry I have derailed the thread somewhat. Your issues just resonated with me and I have not really posted much on this forum yet. I am really interested in trying the ketosis route to see about dropping this extra weight I am carrying. But I just don't know what else to eat. And need to get past the poor me thing too. I should eat to live but I live to eat.

    Interesting also about the training and eating well. When I am working out a lot I do tend to eat better. I've just gotten back to the gym after a back issue so maybe that will help me out.

    I am going to watch your progress and maybe join in at some point.

    Thanks for posting your findings.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by snoops View Post
      May I join the amazon club? I'm 5'10" only quite a bit stockier than you all. My ideal weight would be close to 170 and my "will live with" weight is about 185!! That puts me at a size 12-14 and that makes me happy. My wrists are larger that dh who is 6'4"!! Our leg length is also the same!! LOL Very short waisted here. That said I have about 40 to lose...

      I am having similar issues to you in regard to the alcohol. Love my red wine while making dinner but then it turns into 2 or 3. If I do nothing else but drop that I lose weight. Took a month off it when I hurt my back and felt really good. However I have been having a bit of a pity party lately. Have ditched grains, firstly for health and secondly for a gluten intolerance. Heart burn and reflux gone. Cravings mostly gone. Losing weight. So now I am thinking about ditching the wine too.

      Here's my problem. I love food. I love to cook. I read recipe magazines. I love to eat. So the grains are gone and that cuts out a lot of my favorite foods. Cut out the wine too and I have nothing to look forward to. Made hubby a nice salad the other day(shrimp, artichoke hearts, hearts of palm, avocado) and started crying as we were eating because it just didn't taste all that great to me. He was having crab cakes (bread crumbs in them) and rice. I really wanted the crab cakes. Its like I have nothing to look forward to anymore. Oh yeah because I really dont like meat. I'll eat eggs, cheese, bacon, sliced meat. Eating a chunk of flesh does nothing for me.

      Sorry I have derailed the thread somewhat. Your issues just resonated with me and I have not really posted much on this forum yet. I am really interested in trying the ketosis route to see about dropping this extra weight I am carrying. But I just don't know what else to eat. And need to get past the poor me thing too. I should eat to live but I live to eat.

      Interesting also about the training and eating well. When I am working out a lot I do tend to eat better. I've just gotten back to the gym after a back issue so maybe that will help me out.
      Dear Snoops, et al: I'm going to suggest we rename from the Amazon Club to something a little more flattering like "Long, Cool glass of water" or something. Suggestions? I'm thinking of that lovely high school student who joined in the conversation earlier --- I remember feeling like an amazon in school but I don't feel that way any longer.

      Snoops: I hear you loud and clear. One of my passions is cooking. When I finish my Masters, I want to take some more cooking classes. My 26 year old son is a graduate from a chef programme and it's nuts what he can do in the kitchen.

      If you are in size 12 clothing, then you are still 'okay' for weight. You might shift your thinking from 'weight loss' to reconfiguring your body composition. And if that's important to you, then look upon the process as "I'm giving up X to get Y.

      Since I do the cooking in the household (similar to you), I cook paleo and my husband is happy to eat what I make. I'm not going to make him delicious crab cakes while I much on a piece of salad.....I'd be crying, too! I've shifted my cooking skills to make very tasty dinners but leaving out the nasty wheat, sugar, potatoes etc. Us women do not have time to make two dinners, so that's that. I feel your pain on the wine front --- it's my go to while cooking, for sure. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm aware of that trigger, and have taken steps to deal with it. Perhaps try approaching this process a little strategically, knowing what your triggers are.

      And lastly, it's so nice to have these long tall cool glasses of water (women over 5'10") because we are fabulous and we can carry additional weight without others knowing it -- what a gift! However, if your goal is to reconfigure that gorgeous frame and maybe move into a size 10 -- well that's doable, too. Let us know what you think and whether you can shift your thinking from "damn I want to crabcakes" to "I want x" and therefore I'm prepared to do "Y" to get there.
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      F, 48, 5'10"
      Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
      Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

      Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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      • #18
        Thanks Louisa. Some good thoughts. A lot of it is mental isnt it. Just need to work on changing the language. I like your ideas. But I only WISH I was a size 12. Thats what I would be once I lose this 40 lbs!! My writing is not always crystal clear. LOL. I need to work on coming up with a new list of nice meals that I can enjoy making and eating that do not include grains. More salads incorporating protein. And maybe limit wine to the weekends.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by snoops View Post
          Thanks Louisa. Some good thoughts. A lot of it is mental isnt it. Just need to work on changing the language. I like your ideas. But I only WISH I was a size 12. Thats what I would be once I lose this 40 lbs!! My writing is not always crystal clear. LOL. I need to work on coming up with a new list of nice meals that I can enjoy making and eating that do not include grains. More salads incorporating protein. And maybe limit wine to the weekends.
          Snoops: Try not to focus on the clothing size. I was in Italy a few years ago as a very very fit woman (144lbs) -- didn't bring home one piece of clothing for myself. The clothes are sooooo tiny -- I couldn't get a skirt or pair of pants over my cycling thighs -- I felt terrible :-( But then I realized that Italian women are busy with very very slender hips --- who could know!

          You can ditch the 40 lbs if that is what is important to you. Just try re-framing your thoughts. You are not 'missing out' on that glass of wine, because your gain is one step closer to a healthier and more fit you.

          I'm just home from work -- pulled a couple of nice grass fed steaks from PEI out of the refrigerator. My husband is getting a nice glass of wine and a baked potato with his --- I'm having a 'cool glass 'o water and some nice asparagus with mine. I haven't seen the scale budge for a week now. Probably my body punishing me for no wine ;-) I'm hanging tough, thought --- No VINO for this Italian woman tonight. I have a paper due for school tomorrow, so I'm unfortunately also missing my workout tonight. I'll throw around some heavier weights on Saturday, Sunday and Monday -- it's a long weekend coming up.
          Ciao, Bella! (ps. When you get down to size 12, I have a bundle of nice clothes I'm going to mail to you) :-)
          /louisa
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          F, 48, 5'10"
          Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
          Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

          Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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          • #20
            Day 3 of my 3rd Whole 30 - Aug 30th

            Jumped out of bed at 6 am with more energy than I know what to do with -- 9 hours of solid sleep does the trick. Not hungry so skipping breakfast and going with the bullet coffee: Large coffee with 1/2 cup coconut milk. Good until 12Noon when I ate leftovers from last night's dinner. Why is it that 2 cups of lean ground beef, sauteed with vegetables, is so dense in calories and fat? That lunch almost ruined my dinner as I'm trying to keep protein down and increase in fat. The result today, is that I'm too high in protein so I'll have to adjust tomorrow. Too bad because we had grass fed steaks tonight and I only had 4 ozs with a pile of vegetables with butter and coconut oil. I could have easily given away my first child for a glass of wine but I'm hanging tough here -- no alcohol for 34 days (breathing deeply). Anyway, the stats are below --- as you can see the scale just isn't budging --- maybe my body is rebelling in the absence of red wine. Anyway, keeping the faith, and waiting for the -10 lbs woosh

            I have a paper due for university by tomorrow midnight, so going to burn the midnight oil: Thus, there's no lifting weights, nor walk tonight. I'll make up for it on Sat am.

            So, without further adieu, there are the #'s for today:

            Day 3 of 3rd Whole 30:

            Total Calories: 1,179
            Fat: 88
            Carbs: 12.8
            Protein: 84.5


            Today's Weight 152 lbs

            B-Fast:
            Bullet Coffee (Large coffee with 1/2 cup coconut milk)

            Lunch:
            2 cups fried, lean ground beef with carrots, spinach, onions & garlic (yummy but waaaaay too much protein. Could be an error on fitday????)

            Dinner:
            4 ozs of grass fed, PEI steaks (My steak was 32 ozs but restricted to a 4 oz piece).
            yellow beans, asparagus, 1Tbsp Marscapone cheese, mushrooms


            Daily Supplements:
            Magnesium
            Iodine & Metal Trace Minerals

            Workout - None today -- University paper due tomorrow.



            Energy Levels: (0 - 10) **** 0 is the lowest and 10 being the highest:

            9-10
            Ketosis (which is where I believe I am), is like a feel good drug. I feel relaxed, happy, friendly, full of energy---singing in my car all the way to work "Roxanne dododo ddod dododo dodo...." I'll be up late working on this paper so it won't be 9 hours of sleep tonight. I'd like to see the scale move in a general downwards direction but my body loves 150.......we'll see who wins this war
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            F, 48, 5'10"
            Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
            Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

            Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Louisa655 View Post
              Jumped out of bed at 6 am with more energy than I know what to do with -- 9 hours of solid sleep does the trick. Not hungry so skipping breakfast and going with the bullet coffee: Large coffee with 1/2 cup coconut milk. Good until 12Noon when I ate leftovers from last night's dinner. Why is it that 2 cups of lean ground beef, sauteed with vegetables, is so dense in calories and fat? That lunch almost ruined my dinner as I'm trying to keep protein down and increase in fat. The result today, is that I'm too high in protein so I'll have to adjust tomorrow. Too bad because we had grass fed steaks tonight and I only had 4 ozs with a pile of vegetables with butter and coconut oil. I could have easily given away my first child for a glass of wine but I'm hanging tough here -- no alcohol for 34 days (breathing deeply). Anyway, the stats are below --- as you can see the scale just isn't budging --- maybe my body is rebelling in the absence of red wine. Anyway, keeping the faith, and waiting for the -10 lbs woosh

              9-10
              Ketosis (which is where I believe I am), is like a feel good drug. I feel relaxed, happy, friendly, full of energy---singing in my car all the way to work "Roxanne dododo ddod dododo dodo...." I'll be up late working on this paper so it won't be 9 hours of sleep tonight. I'd like to see the scale move in a general downwards direction but my body loves 150.......we'll see who wins this war
              I feel like singing James Brown's famous "awwwww......I feel GOOD!"
              I was at a set point of 180 for 5 months then dropped to 150. New setpoints are possible.
              Keep breathing deeply when the red wine monster comes along. It may just be the siren song of carbs trying to convince you that "just one glass won't hurt anything". Put the wax in your ears and keep rowing.

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              • #22
                I'm a 6'3" guy so I definitely love to see some "Amazons" around (it's so hard to find tall women these days!)

                To the OP: I saw you had sour cream on day 2, are you allowing dairy?

                I just completed a Whole30, where the first couple weeks went great, and then had a totally falling off the wagon. I learned from that lesson that dairy is completely and totally cool with me specifically and that back on 80/20 primal it's essential. Just curious if you or anyone else has had similar findings on dairy changes. If you care to see my experimental values, see here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post941903
                Last edited by impala454; 08-30-2012, 09:27 PM.
                -Chuck

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                • #23
                  I don't think I could maintain ketosis and my sanity at the same time without dairy products. There just wouldn't be enough variety. I only eat the higher fat content dairy products however. I don't drink regular milk except for an occasional treat of raw goat milk when my friend' goats are feeling productive. Just too much lactose involved. I'm not intolerant digestively, just don't need all those carbs.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by impala454 View Post
                    I'm a 6'3" guy so I definitely love to see some "Amazons" around (it's so hard to find tall women these days!)

                    To the OP: I saw you had sour cream on day 2, are you allowing dairy?

                    : http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post941903
                    Impala454: Thanks for stopping by. I was following your Whole30 last month and visited your results page. It's great that you've figured out how your body behaves to various food groups --- knowledge is half the battle.

                    As for dairy --I'm not a big dairy person. I don't care for milk but I do like a bit of sour cream from time to time and high fat, greek yogourt. For this Whole 30, yogourt has been eliminated. I likely won't have sour cream for the remainder of the month.

                    I'm thinking that the Amazon title for tall ladies has to go -- it's unflattering. I'm open to suggestions, and throwing out the name "Long Tally Sally's" -- hope nobody's name is Sally on the forum. Just a thought.

                    I'm going to stick out this 3rd consecutive Whole 30. I believe I've reached my setpoint which is 150 and we'll see who is going to win this battle --- my body or my will. Thanks for your input and feel free to jump on this train, should you feel so inclined.
                    Best/louisa
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                    F, 48, 5'10"
                    Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                    Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                    Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                    • #25
                      Aww I rather liked the moniker, makes me think of a tall, beautiful version of the Primal Blueprint logo
                      -Chuck

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                      • #26
                        How about "Xena's Warriors"? I always thought Lucy Lawless was cool. 6 feet tall in flat heeled boots with enough upper body strength to really swing a broadsword. I want a Xena costume for Halloween.

                        Re the milk thing. I think that is one of the places where I part company with the whole 30 folks. I really don't think dairy is evil across the board. I think it is good for a person to do an elimination trial to see what works (or doesn't ) for them.

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                        • #27
                          Day 4 of Whole 30 *3Months
                          Another 9 hours of sleep last night with a fantastic 6 am start. I haven't used an alarm clock in 4 years and I always wake up naturally. It's amazing to me how amazing I feel. I was hungry this morning but had my normal bullet coffee (large coffee with 1/2 cup coconut milk). I was getting hungry before lunch, so ate early (11am). I'm so busy at work that the time flies and I was very hungry on my way home from work but nothing that I couldn't manage. Interestingly, I feel as though I've eaten so much today, but the numbers are low -- maybe too low, in fact. Feel free to comment on that aspect. But here's the good news, the scale is on the way down again, after about a 2-week stall. Down to 151.4 lbs today. I'll take that success. I think my body is getting to understand that the mental toughness is not going away anytime soon. I'm still wanting a glass of red wine, particularly since it's Friday night of a long weekend. However, I have an assignment due tonight and I'm under the gun to get it done. The interesting point is that I'm not feeling the stress and anxiety that I normally do when struggling to meet these numerous deadlines. Without further adieu, numbers for today:

                          Total Calories: 999
                          Fat: 84.3 grams =74%
                          Carbs: 11 grams = 4%
                          Protein: 52 grams = 22%

                          Today's Weight 151.4 lbs (woot woot!)

                          B-Fast:
                          8 oz coffee with 2ozs coconut milk

                          Lunch:
                          2 fried eggs and 2 pieces of bacon

                          Pre-Dinner Snack:
                          1 Tbsp Marscapone Cheese
                          6 Olives
                          1 oz piece of grassfed steak (leftovers)

                          Dinner:
                          3 ozs grass fed steak (re-leftovers)
                          yellow beans (a pile)
                          Spring onions
                          big glass of water

                          Daily Supplements:
                          Magnesium
                          Iodine & Metal Trace Minerals

                          Workout - None yet and likely nothing tonight, given my assignment deadline.

                          Sleep Patterns:
                          Wake up: 6am
                          Sleep: 8-9pm
                          Total sleep hours on average: 9 per night

                          Energy Levels: (0 - 10) **** 0 is the lowest and 10 being the highest:

                          9-10
                          Ketosis and I are warming up to a great love affair. Never felt better in my life. High energy; great mood; stress-free and perhaps funnier than usual (that's subjective). My point is, unless my hair starts falling out by the handfuls, I'm staying in Ketosis land as long as possible. By the way, the yearning for wine is a little less, but happy to have this assignment to keep my mind occupied. I have a 10am brunch tomorrow (yes, there will be alcohol -- it's how we roll) --- but I'm remaining strong. Thanks all, and open for comments/critiques/thoughts or heckling. ps. I'm posting photos tomorrow --- BE KIND, everyone!


                          Calculating Louisa’s HSIS Weight, based on ideal BMI of 20%:

                          5’10” = 1.778M
                          20*1.778*1.778 = 63.2kg
                          63.2kg x 2.2 lbs = 139.04lbs
                          Lean Body Mass = (1-0.2) * 139.04 = 111.232gm Protein Per Day
                          Last edited by Louisa655; 08-31-2012, 07:35 PM.
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                          F, 48, 5'10"
                          Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                          Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                          Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                            How about "Xena's Warriors"? I always thought Lucy Lawless was cool. 6 feet tall in flat heeled boots with enough upper body strength to really swing a broadsword. I want a Xena costume for Halloween.

                            Re the milk thing. I think that is one of the places where I part company with the whole 30 folks. I really don't think dairy is evil across the board. I think it is good for a person to do an elimination trial to see what works (or doesn't ) for them.
                            I'm down with Zena's Warriors --- with the proviso that we aren't nix'ing waxing and shaving from the list of paleo behaviours. I'll roll with being a warrior --- but making it clear that I'm a smooth warrior.....
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                            F, 48, 5'10"
                            Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                            Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                            Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                            • #29
                              snoops, make yourself some crab cakes! No reason your husband should get all the yummy stuff, just use almond flour with some spices instead of bread crumbs. I've not actually made crab cakes but I've made salmon cakes and I'm sure it's basically the same And as for Amazon's, I've always thought of Amazon's as gorgeous strong women, I don't see anything derogatory in the name at all. I'm not tall, but I sure believe in being strong!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Louisa655 View Post
                                Ketosis and I are warming up to a great love affair. Never felt better in my life. High energy; great mood; stress-free and perhaps funnier than usual (that's subjective). My point is, unless my hair starts falling out by the handfuls, I'm staying in Ketosis land as long as possible. By the way, the yearning for wine is a little less, but happy to have this assignment to keep my mind occupied.

                                I'm down with Zena's Warriors --- with the proviso that we aren't nix'ing waxing and shaving from the list of paleo behaviours. I'll roll with being a warrior --- but making it clear that I'm a smooth warrior.....
                                Originally posted by Isfahel View Post
                                snoops, make yourself some crab cakes! No reason your husband should get all the yummy stuff, just use almond flour with some spices instead of bread crumbs. I've not actually made crab cakes but I've made salmon cakes and I'm sure it's basically the same And as for Amazon's, I've always thought of Amazon's as gorgeous strong women, I don't see anything derogatory in the name at all. I'm not tall, but I sure believe in being strong!
                                An epic love affair indeed. And Isfahel is right. You can use almond or crushed pork rinds as an alternative binder in crab cakes.
                                IIRC Xena always had perfectly shaved pits. How she did that while living out of a saddlebag, we will never know.

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