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  • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    I think a lot of the wanting moar meat is not really about biological need but rather the forbidden for so long fruit that is now allowed, even encouraged on Primal. Yippee! I'll have a 24oz porterhouse! Well, I really would have been fine with the 8oz filet.
    I just looked up the info for filet on sparkpeople and an 8oz filet would go over my daily protein. That just isn't right.
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    • Originally posted by Quies View Post
      I just looked up the info for filet on sparkpeople and an 8oz filet would go over my daily protein. That just isn't right.
      Well, a very petite person like you then gets to have steak two nights in a row, 4 oz each.

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      • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        Well, a very petite person like you then gets to have steak two nights in a row, 4 oz each.
        It still gets a bit frustrating when I have to monitor my meat so closely. Today I was juggling cans of salmon trying to figure out which one wouldn't make me go over.

        What's funny is that whenever I go to a restaurant I have leftovers and people have suggested I order smaller meals. I ask them why, when I can have two meals for the price of one.
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        • Originally posted by AceRimmer View Post
          Running and biking are not problem as long as I stay around 75-80% max heart rate. But hammering uphills...and feel like powerless miserable slug. Also doing heavy powerclean or squat glycogen depleted sucks . I think this nutritional ketosis works better for people spending most time in aerobic zones aka ultra distance stuff.
          How a low carb diet affected my athletic performance (Part 4) The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.

          The interplay of exercise and ketosis << part 1

          The interplay of exercise and ketosis << part 2

          My pet peeve The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. << includes a video of part of one of his workouts -- in ketosis

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          • Originally posted by Jac View Post
            The Robb Wolf podcast has a good question today about ketosis and thyroid issues.
            Yes, he did have a question on that, didn't he?

            A fairly funny episode again. I liked the dry way that he said, when discussing one of the questions, that a man developing breasts "could be problematic". LOL. Talk about understatement! :-)

            It seems to have been a claim that's been going around in paleo circles for quite some time. I did hear Steve Phinney asked that question, and he said they simply hadn't seen it -- and that's when working with people who're locked in metabolic wards. What he did say was that if someone's total calorific consumption drops very low, T3 will go down ... but then they found it comes right back up when the calories are increased again. A rather simpler explanation.

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            • OMG, OMG, I had my very first experience entering the foods in the calculator yesterday and going: "Well, that's too low on calories, I will need to eat something else." Pretty cool. I did ended up with a higher calories day... 1300 cals, wow. I was feeling the effects of having too low cals yesterday, but it was not hunger. Just lightheaded feeling. NICE! 1300 cals on a CW made me into a crazy person, binging in shame on source yogurt. In the morning, everybody was dragging me into meetings, that lasted and lasted, and here it was, 11 am, not having had chance to have a breakfast... and my thought was: "So, I will just have to have lunch I suppose."

              Another thing is that I stopped craving. Anything. I don't take a rabid interest in cooking any more either. My folks were eating syrniks with home made jam, and I was not experiencing the usual 'poor me' feeling. I am not licking spoons I use for dishing my daughter's yogurt or have shaking hands when I cut and measure her fruit. So good. I know it might not last, but for now it is GOOD.

              Anyway, it looks like I will be back to where I started this month this weekend (fingers crossed), so I would have passed the initial adaptation stage where I was eating far too much. Now that I see the hunger level down, I am willing to at least attempt to stick with low carb over the weekend. Again, fingers crossed.

              @Adamm:

              Thank you for sharing your lifting experience in ketosis! I less nervous now about not having the scared 'carb-up'. And, do not worry, please, I deserve what I got. I still did not learn to moderate my tone on the Internet when the topic is close to my heart, so I slip into melodrama, and share emotions that need be left private. I get carried away, and folks react negatively. One of this days, I will learn how not to pass for a resident drama queen.
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              • Great progress Leida. I want to thank everyone for sharing their experiences. I listened to a podcast where the guest said there are people who have adverse effects to low carb like cold hands or hair loss, but that is the exception to the rule. The few people who have unusual thyroid reactions will need to up their carbs. For the rest of us, lower carbs and protein may give us optimal energy and health.

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                • Great progress Leida. I want to thank everyone for sharing their experiences. I listened to a podcast where the guest said there are people who have adverse effects to low carb like cold hands or hair loss, but that is the exception to the rule. The few people who have unusual thyroid reactions will need to up their carbs. For the rest of us, lower carbs and protein may give us optimal energy and health. Today is DH's birthday so we're trying to keep calories and protein low till dinner so we can enjoy a sweet potato and decent size prime rib.

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                  • Thank you

                    Gonna buy Devon Cream today (super high fat cream) to make a pea and spinach soup (with ham and bacon). Our last green peas and beans from the garden.... The amazing thing is, I can have the soup and still stay under 30 g carbs. Pretty cool.
                    My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                    When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                    • I don't think it's so hard to not go over protein requirements. Like I said in a post above I don't count anything... just not willing to do it with past eating disorders, lack of time, lack of interest, etc. (I do watch my portions, though). The one thing I calculated was my protein requirements and I think it was around 80 grams and my goal weight is 125. If I eat two meals a day I can't imagine I'm going over 80 grams of protein or even hitting that much. For instance, yesterday for lunch I had 3 eggs and 3 small pieces of bacon and for dinner I had 1/2 of a steak (I'll guess it was 4-5 oz) with blue cheese and butter and 1/2 an avocado. That can't be over 80 grams. Am I wrong? I doubt if any of my meals have 40 grams of protein in them and I only eat twice a day. For those of you having a hard time with this do you eat 3 times a day? Requirements less than 80-ish grams... seems like that would be low?

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                      • Well, I ate 2 meals a day yesterday, and hit 100 g protein. I am not concerned, because my allocation is ~ 90 g because of my activity and I had as low as 40 g protein on the other days. I was initially freaked out because it calculated 50 g in the beginning formula Paleobird gave (equal the 'if I wanted to be a supermodel' weight in kilos, which is 110 lbs or 50 kg). Once it goes to about 100 g, that's an easy thing (and it corresponds to other stuff, so I am happy).

                        My meals were 3 eggs + 1/2 cup egg whites with a tbsp coconut oil and a cup of broth; 6 Brazil Nuts
                        Broth with some 6 oz of turkey wing, meat and skin, cabbage with a drizzle of balsamic, brie and coconut cream

                        Egg whites boost protein, but that's the only way to cook the eggs in the microwave, without cooking the yolk and making it 'explode'.

                        But, like I said, I don't worry if my protein is a bit higher, as long as I do not feel hungry and carbs are low. In fact, I like keeping it around 100, so muscle have food. Now, next week I am taking off training, so I will be shooting for 50 g... gotta be interesting.
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                        • Healthy11, a lot of what you're eating is 50/50 fat and protein so your fat to protein ratios may not be ideal.
                          4 oz sirloin = 291 calories 17.8 grams fat and 30.4 protein. Each large egg has 72 calories, 5 grams fat and 6.3 protein (0.4 carb). 3 strips bacon = 130 calories 10 grams fat and 8.9 protein. 1/4 oz blue cheese crumbles = 25 calories with 2 grams fat and 1.8 protein. 1/2 avocado has 161 calories with 14.7 fat and 2 grams protein and 8.6 carbs.

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                          • Not sure where you are getting an allotment of 80g protein. At GW 130 lbs, my daily intake would need to be 55-65 g protein. At 20g (roughly) per meal, that means that I have to be very careful with protein portions, and add my fats on top. Most days I have blown up to 70g when the veggie proteins have been added in.

                            I just had a YEE-HAW! moment! Well, actually a few. First was yesterday morning when I slipped on a skirt that I have not been able to zipper for MONTHS, and it zipped up all the way. I can see the lower outline of my ribs. Not bad for 1 week of doing this, and 5 weeks post hysterectomy!

                            Yesterday was a 'crazy run all over 2 states for work' kind of day, and I did not eat very much of a lunch, just a small snack of cucumber, peppers, small handful of almonds. By the time I got home @ 7 pm I was ravenous. Yes, I probably have some metabolic healing to do. I am also fighting off a cold. Thought about what I really wanted to eat, and what sounded best was bacon and eggs. I ended up with 1 egg, three yolks, and FIVE slices of bacon. Despite that feast (and man it really felt like a feast!) I still came in at exact ratios, and under 1400 cal for the day. WOW! Granted, I would not advocate doing that consistently, but it felt really great to eat to satisfaction and still be compliant.

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                            • I only had 53g protein yesterday, if my guess at portion sizes was correct. I really have a hard time with the calorie tracking apps since I don't actually weigh and measure my food. Those apps work best for people who eat all packaged food.
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                              • I listened to one podcast where the speaker said protein needs should be similar for everyone no matter what you weigh because it goes more by blood volume than by weight. His recommendation was 90 grams. No doubt other "experts" disagree. I thought I had read on this thread that for a woman of 150-160 pounds we should be at 70-85ish.

                                As long as we are in a calorie deficit and not storing excess protein, we're actually burning all our daily calories as fuel, does it matter whether we're at 60 or 90? Since I started tracking this week, I'm usually around 80 grams of protein. We eat three meals a day and usually start the day with eggs in some form and bacon, sausage, or some other meat on the side.
                                Last edited by Miss Understood; 09-14-2012, 08:12 AM.

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