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  • Originally posted by Lewis View Post
    If you want some links, maybe have a look at Jimmy Moore's recent experiments on himself:

    Jimmy Moore

    Jimmy Moore

    Jimmy Moore
    I'm really happy to see Jimmy having success. I noticed in the third link he commented how people are assuming he must be gorging on cream cheese and butter. That's the whole point of PB's thread here. You don't gorge on it, you just base your diet on it. Well, not just cream cheese and butter but all types of fats. It's kind of hard to do, actually.

    Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
    ketosis is a natural diuretic and until you get more adapted can whack out your electrolytes. have bone broth with some salt added, avocado or plain electrolyte water -- that can be found at trader joe's and i think the smartwater people make one too. drink more water than you think you need right now.

    adding a magnesium supp will also help with the jitters.
    At the same time you have to watch out you don't drink too much water. I tend to do that especially when it's really hot out and I'm exercising. Hyponatremia, or water intoxication, feels like unquenchable thirst, plus there are other negative symptoms. In my case they seem to be a sense of just not feeling right, feeling weak and tired, feeling sort of desperate inside. I have to force myself to stop drinking anything until I can get to some salt. I actually prefer plain old dehydration to this hyponatremic feeling.
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    • At the same time you have to watch out you don't drink too much water. I tend to do that especially when it's really hot out and I'm exercising. Hyponatremia, or water intoxication, feels like unquenchable thirst, plus there are other negative symptoms. In my case they seem to be a sense of just not feeling right, feeling weak and tired, feeling sort of desperate inside. I have to force myself to stop drinking anything until I can get to some salt. I actually prefer plain old dehydration to this hyponatremic feeling.[/QUOTE]

      Ahhhh! So complicated! How can you tell whether you're drinking too much or too little?

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      • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
        I can never remember which morph is which. But I'm not the good one. Here are honest photos of me where I didn't catch the angle or light just right:
        http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7...95d70a87b2.jpg
        http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8322/7...a74c0ea425.jpg

        What bothers me is that my belly and upper arms continue to be fat. It would be nice to have more slender knees and ankles. It would be nice to resemble the athlete that I truly am. I seriously kick ass compared to most people I meet. I'm not the fastest, I'm not the strongest, but I will dog you until you collapse in a heap just like a persistence hunter catches an antelope.
        My mother had the trimmest little ankles and wrists, and could run circles around us when we were kids. With the exception of a long deceased sister, none of us could ever hope to have her build, because we took after my father's family - long bodies, heavy wide bones, shorter arms and legs, boys and girls alike. Also, I would rate endurance as a fitness goal above speed and vanity.

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        • Originally posted by Sanas View Post
          How can you tell whether you're drinking too much or too little?
          Frequency of urination and colour of urine. It should be every two or three hours and a light straw colour. If it's less frequent and more of a yellow colour, you're dehydrated; if it's every few minutes and clear you've overdone it.
          Last edited by Lewis; 09-10-2012, 12:24 PM. Reason: spelling

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          • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            I bought some triple cream goat brie. Just thought I would inject a little sense into this talk about cheese. Coconut cheese? Nut cheese? Not cheese. Abominations. But I agree that maybe there is too much cheese lately. That's why I'm very grateful for liver pate and pesto.
            Only brought up for the unfortunate person who can't have dairy.

            Originally posted by Lawyerchick12 View Post
            What does mascarpone cheese taste like? I was going to buy some at wholefoods and saw that it was next to the devonshire scone cream? is it the same kind of flavour?
            Like ricotta only smooooooother.

            Originally posted by Leida View Post
            Oh, I know all about water, and it is not water. It is the persistent eating too much after supper with all the unpleasant consequences. I am fat because I eat too much, not because of some complicated 'condition'. So, yeah, I need to keep my eating down, but there is nothing new about it. That 'stop when satisfied' portion was always the main challenge of my body control enterprise.
            Yep, that was what prompted my calorie counting threads.

            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
            you may want to switch your tracker to figure net carbs for you. carbs minus fiber = net carbs.
            Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Avocados, raw, California
            a whole avocado is only 3 nc.
            Yes, I have come to the conclusion that net carbs make sense when you are talking about excluding the fiber from the count. That does not give a free pass to all the weird sugar alcohol sweetened stuff whose wrappers claim those carbs don't count in the net.

            Originally posted by Lewis View Post
            It seems Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt is experimenting with this. It'll be interesting to see how it goes for him:
            Experiment: Optimal Ketosis for Weight Loss and Improved Performance | DietDoctor.com
            Yes that should be interesting. I like his site.

            Originally posted by meeme View Post
            I'm still loosing weight and sleeping better than I have in years. My blood pressure is coming down. I dug out my skinny cloths that have been in the drawer for 5 years...woot!! I noticed that when I walk I don't have pain and my hips swing again...double woot!! I've missed my breezy walk!! Swish, swish....and no pain.
            You swish, girl!

            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            lI seriously kick ass compared to most people I meet. I'm not the fastest, I'm not the strongest, but I will dog you until you collapse in a heap just like a persistence hunter catches an antelope.
            This is what matters.

            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
            ketosis is a natural diuretic and until you get more adapted can whack out your electrolytes. have bone broth with some salt added, avocado or plain electrolyte water -- that can be found at trader joe's and i think the smartwater people make one too. drink more water than you think you need right now. adding a magnesium supp will also help with the jitters.
            Good advice.

            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
            i started this whole journey 3 years ago with atkins and they no longer recommend the keto stix because they are simply not accurate. they only measure spilled ketones in the urine, which is more often a factor of hydration. i've met atkins-peeps on-line who have lost 100+ pounds and ever shown any trace on the stix.
            Ya. Iv'e got half a jar kicking around somewhere but I never bother with them any more. I just know when I'm in ketosis.

            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            I'm really happy to see Jimmy having success. I noticed in the third link he commented how people are assuming he must be gorging on cream cheese and butter. That's the whole point of PB's thread here. You don't gorge on it, you just base your diet on it. Well, not just cream cheese and butter but all types of fats. It's kind of hard to do, actually.
            Yep, it's about changing the ratios not the quantities. And Jimmy seems like a heckofa nice guy. I'm glad things are working for him again too.

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            • That's sounds like a good explanation to what happens to be in the evenings when I go on my tea drinking slug. The more I drink it, the more exhausted I become, the more I want it... Something to consider. I have never heard of it before.
              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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              • Originally posted by Lewis View Post
                Frequency of urination and colour of urine. It should be every two or three hours and a light straw colour. If it's less frequent and more of a yellow colour, you're dehydrated; if it's every few minutes and clear you've overdone it.
                Unless, of course, you've been hitting the B vitamins, which colour your urine deep yellow till they're flushed through. Actually, I've heard that clear urine is desirable, as it indicated adequate hydration. Whatever, I salt plenty, drink enough, and at bedtime, if I still feel thirsty, will chug a glass of water, regardless of it causing midnight bathroom jaunts. And one reason for dry mouth... is snoring or mouth breathing. A hair in the mouth, if your bed partner hasn't already mentioned your snoring, is a dead giveaway for mouth breathers. Stuffy noses are another. Take a sip of water to relieve the dryness ; it is neither here nor there.

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                • Originally posted by Lewis View Post
                  Frequency of urination and colour of urine. It should be every two or three hours and a light straw colour. If it's less frequent and more of a yellow colour, you're dehydrated; if it's every few minutes and clear you've overdone it.
                  Unless, of course, you've been hitting the B vitamins, which colour your urine deep yellow till they're flushed through. Actually, I've heard that clear urine is desirable, as it indicated adequate hydration. Whatever, I salt plenty, drink enough, and at bedtime, if I still feel thirsty, will chug a glass of water, regardless of it causing midnight bathroom jaunts. And one reason for dry mouth... is snoring or mouth breathing. A hair in the mouth, if your bed partner hasn't already mentioned your snoring, is a dead giveaway for mouth breathers. Stuffy noses are another. Take a sip of water to relieve the dryness ; it is neither here nor there.

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                  • I want to share a bone broth discovery. Due to time restraints I had to freeze my shank bones after many hours of slow cooking. When I brought them out of the freezer to plop back into the broth and brought them back up to heat the most excellent marrow just slid out whole...no digging, no effort at all. I suppose everyone else already knew this but I just had to share.
                    A Woman's Place Is In The Revolution.

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                    • Originally posted by Sanas View Post
                      Louisa, on the "Restless Sleep" thread, someone mentioned "Hypoglycemic Amnesia." It has symptoms of restless sleep and needing ferociously to eat or drink in the middle of the night. I wonder if it's this? I'm probably eating too low on the carbs, like you <20 g per day, in a attempt to feel the ketosis magic.

                      When you've been a carb hound for decades, maybe it takes a couple of years to really be able to generate an abundance of ketones. It's taken at least two years for my thyroid and adrenal glands to recover. So, who knows what two years of VLC will bring?

                      When I think about having to undergo one of those tests where you chug a big bunch of glucose and see what happens, I turn pale and feel faint. I think that would just about kill me. But I'm better than I used to be, blood sugar wise. I didn't used to be able to go on a three hour car trip without a big bag of tortilla chips to eat, and now I can not eat for a whole day.

                      Are you possibly hypoglycemic?

                      Here's the restless sleep thread. Post number 7 refers to hypoglycemic insomnia. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65633.html
                      Appreciate your raising your hand with me on this. I don't think I'm hypoglycemic. I don't wake up at night feeling thirsty. I focused on drinking quite a bit today, and I'm feeling hydrated tonight while in bed, catching up on my reading. We've had a very hot summer here, and that may have accounted for some of my thirst. Also, when I go for my 10km walks, I often forget to bring hydration. I will continue monitoring my thirst needs and will research this, should I find myself on the left side of 'normal'. Cheers, and thanks a bunch! /louisa
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                      F, 48, 5'10"
                      Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                      Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                      Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                      • Originally posted by ennaejay View Post
                        I'm still lurking in the shadows, reading. Y'all are convincing me to try this VLC for at least 5-6 days a week, I'll probably throw in a refeed once a week after a heavy day.
                        Do any of you have any good links or tips about ketosis?

                        Anyway keep up the great comments, a lot of us out here are munching on proverbial popcorn and listening and learning
                        There is an abundance of great 'how to' on the internet. I searched from ketosis to ketogenic diet and there's some very good sources and how to's.
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                        F, 48, 5'10"
                        Start Date: 25-06-12 @ 161lbs
                        Goal Reached: 30-09-12 @ 143lb. Now bouncing between 145lb - 149lb. I'd like less bounce and more consistency :-)

                        Started Cross Fit 20.12.12 ---- Can't wait to submit my success story on the 1st anniversary of starting primal.

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                        • Originally posted by Louisa655 View Post
                          There is an abundance of great 'how to' on the internet. I searched from ketosis to ketogenic diet and there's some very good sources and how to's.
                          I suggest that anyone wanting to start a ketogenic way of eating start with the blog of Dr Peter Attia called The Eating Academy. He did a guest post here on MDA so Mark trusts him to be a good source of info as well.

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                          • WOW -- I wanted to thank Paleobird & thread contributors for this incredible wealth of information! (and I haven't read it all yet!)
                            Stating the 'obvious' truly helps. I've done some adjustments to my diet as to replace some carbs with fat.

                            Who knew a single banana could put you over the ketosis edge!? (helloooo 28g of carbs / banana!)
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                            Adopted the Primal lifestyle on: August 9 2012.
                            My sporadic journal entries are here.

                            Results to date: I've lost (gained?) one belt hole!

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                            • Originally posted by Sanas View Post

                              Gotta wonder just what is the difference. Maybe generic has a lot of antibiotics? Why would antibiotics promote cravings?
                              don't know that it's the antibiotics, but more likely the absolute crap corn/soy they eat. that kind of diet must create a very different, and far inferior, nutritional profile in the milk/cheese/cream. i think of it as how unhealthy i was when i was eating the wrong foods. gawd, i was sick ALL the time. if push came to shove and somebody had had to eat me to live? :O
                              As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                              Ernest Hemingway

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                              • Originally Posted by noodletoy

                                you may want to switch your tracker to figure net carbs for you. carbs minus fiber = net carbs.
                                Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Avocados, raw, California
                                a whole avocado is only 3 nc.
                                Originally posted by Paleobird:

                                Yes, I have come to the conclusion that net carbs make sense when you are talking about excluding the fiber from the count. That does not give a free pass to all the weird sugar alcohol sweetened stuff whose wrappers claim those carbs don't count in the net.
                                i know there is some fuzzy math there, but i sure as hell don't eat that stuff and kind of assumed other people here also do not?
                                As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                                Ernest Hemingway

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