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  • Weird, Vital Greens is from southern AB, you should be able to get it in Calgary.
    “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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    • I will take a look at the Organic Market, but last time I checked they did not have anything up from the organic label. One can only hope one day they will finally allow cow share. Or we will retire to BC eventually.
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      When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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      • The Avalon and Vital Greens I get at Planet O. The Avalon is in glass bottles, both homo and non-homo kinds.
        “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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        • Planet Organic is really out of the way for me, so I do an Organic market here downtown and the normal grocery stores. I dunno why, I never liked PO. Maybe because it is in such a crapy location....
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          When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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          • For cheese, I get whatever sounds good. I just bought some triple cream goat brie even though it is pasteurized. I get the Organic Pastures raw cream and last time at the farmer's market, I got some of their butter too after they promised it doesn't have even a trace of their butter culture in it. Their cultured butter is gag-me strong.

            What's really yummy is goat cheese with walnut oil on it. Walnut oil is really toasty nutty tasting.

            I've been trying to figure out what are healthy O6 fats, because after all, O6 is an essential fatty acid. You aren't supposed to eliminate it, just balance it. Once you eliminate the soybean, corn, canola, safflower oils etc, there's nothing really left that is high in healthy O6 except for avocado oil, sesame and walnut oil. Otherwise, I guess you just get your O6 from the small amounts in other oils and from animals, which is fine with me.
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • I have a question.
              Some days, I like to focus on other things than eating, but I can't afford to fast while eating normally because I don't need to loose weight at all, don't want to get too skinny again.
              So what I've been doing when I want to do it, is eating 2 days worth of calories the day before and then enjoy my next day with plenty of energy and not having to think about food.
              But in a High Fat Low Carb way, is it possible to do it while not having to worry about gaining bf% ?
              (And, do you think it can be done ? I've red many articles where people talked about the way our ancestors eat and sometimes there were moments of feast and then of fast so I guess it's not unhealthy.)

              Thanks
              Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
              (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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              • Originally posted by Daydreamer View Post
                I have a question.
                Some days, I like to focus on other things than eating, but I can't afford to fast while eating normally because I don't need to loose weight at all, don't want to get too skinny again.
                So what I've been doing when I want to do it, is eating 2 days worth of calories the day before and then enjoy my next day with plenty of energy and not having to think about food.
                But in a High Fat Low Carb way, is it possible to do it while not having to worry about gaining bf% ?
                (And, do you think it can be done ? I've red many articles where people talked about the way our ancestors eat and sometimes there were moments of feast and then of fast so I guess it's not unhealthy.)

                Thanks
                Daydreamer, mon cher. You. Don't. Need. To. Worry. About. How. Much. You. Eat. Or When. Just Eat. Lots.

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                • Well, it's quite difficult to do so since I already reached a healthy bodyweight, and I really don't know where my body "stands" right now in terms of body composition as I have VERY SEVERE water retention/bloating because of elevated estradiol levels (french trt doctors are very very bad when it comes to a good protocol of treatment).

                  So, well, it's very very hard to deal with and I don't know if I'm getting fat or just a balloon of water.
                  Hehe...

                  (In order to illustrate my point:
                  From this: http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...61398175_n.jpg

                  To this: http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...-a-21-32-2.jpg
                  Which is quite mind-blowing.)
                  Last edited by Daydreamer; 09-06-2012, 05:35 PM.
                  Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                  (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                  • SB, isn't olive oil 03?

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                    • Chicken (and all other poultry) and nuts/seeds are a source of Omega 6. If you aren't getting your 6's from PUFAs, but are eating poultry/nuts/seeds, you are probably getting enough.

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                      • Daydreamer, your hormonal situation is beyond the scope of my medical expertise. What I see in both of those pictures however is a slim (and very handsome) young man. I think you are making a bigger issue out of your "bloating" than is the reality. As far as your weight goes, I've seen your photos. You are still very slender and in no danger of getting fat.

                        So stop worrying and EAT! S'il te plait, mange! Beaucoup! Your body needs fuel in order to heal.

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                        • I think olive oil is monounsaturated mostly.

                          I looked at Mark's definitive guide to oils and it looks to me that healthy O6 fatty acid sources are walnut and avocado oil. Otherwise, I think since most oils and fats are a combo of different types, you can avoid specifically consuming O6 oils and get enough just from other oils and meats. I was trying to figure this out because I think I can get my boyfriend to read Maffetone's book and his page on fats is really confusing. He says you need O6 and O3 fats and lists corn, soy, canola etc as sources of O6. Then in his case studies he tells people to not eat any of the O6 fats on his list. So the confusion was that these fats he tells people in real life not to consume are on his list of good sources of essential O6. I just don't want my boyfriend making me eat canola oil. I think if I let him borrow the book, I'll have to insert my notes in there.

                          Dinner was great tonight. Zucchini noodles with a "sauce" of bacon, mushrooms, zucchini chunks and basil pesto. So tasty!
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • I need some help here!! I have multiple triggers for IBS, including nuts and nut products, fodmaps in all but small and infrequent amounts - including coconut products, and all dairy. I'm away from home at present, and have realised just what a 'low fat' society really means! I've been unable to maintain ketosis for the last week because any fat I can take in is linked to larger amounts of protein. Right now I'm surrendering the idea of eating clean and low-carb until I get home on Sunday night, and going for the clean aspect. If I wanted to take in foods fried in canola oil I could probably get the fat content up, but I'd rather stay away from them.

                            My cry for help isn't about my current situation - that's just been the catalyst (and I won't be back online until Monday, anyway), but can you please offer me some suggestions about what I can eat to get my fat levels up, independent of my protein intake, without triggering an IBS flare. The fat sources that are closed to me, or can only be used in very small amounts include butter, cream, avodado, coconut cream, cheese, and nuts.

                            At home I tend to cook food in coconut oil, and also add oils like olive and avocado to foods. I've not been able to master the art of eating spoonfuls of coconut oil (it tends to make me gag), but can take in a reasonable amount when it's combined with chocolate. I'd love to hear about your special recipes to deliver fat to your diet . . .
                            Started Feb 18 2011

                            Tried basic primal and almost everything else in pursuit of IBS control, mood stability, and weight loss.

                            Journalling here

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                            • I've loved reading this thread. Thanks so much Paleobird for starting it and for your wonderfully balanced perspective. I'm reading the Phinney and Volek book and really enjoying the deeper focus on the science of low carb.

                              I've been eating this way (Primal) for over a year, with good results. I didn't have any major health issues I needed to address when I started. I mainly wanted to lean out. So far so good. Along the way I got rid of the edema in my lower legs and built some muscle. I'm a 48 yo woman, 5'5", 120 lbs

                              I've experienced ketosis a few days here and there. I've never stayed in it more than a day from what I can tell and am wondering if what's going on for me now (outrageous afternoon carb cravings and low energy) is that dreaded place. The place that's neither here nor there with regard to fat adaption. Ugh.

                              Sooo, my question... I don't want to lose weight and don't have a medical condition that would benefit from a ketogenic diet. But I like that mental sharpness I've felt a few times with ketosis and would LOVE to feel the calmness and deep sleep that others have also experienced. Is there any reason why it would be ILL-advised for me to try this? I've been to potato land and it doesn't work that well for me.

                              Thanks, I appreciate anyone and everyone's feedback.
                              I do whatever my microbiome tells me.

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                              • Jac, if you are worried about all this, try getting a pork hock or a shoulder roast - any one with a massive amounts of fat on it, and slow roast it after creating the crackling. I usually make the crackling for 40 or so min in 450-485 degree oven, then reduce it to 360, double foil it. If you can get a hold of the pork belly cut (basically what goes into making bacon) you can do the same, and won't have much meat, mostly baked fat). You will avoid all the chemicals in pork rinds and bacon, and have a load of fat which you seem to be Okay with. Another fatty cut of pork are shoulder chops, I just slow cook them and then mix with vegetables. Ribs are also super-fatty. I also find that drippings from the dry roasted chicken are edible by themselves, if you dry roast the chicken with lots of salt on skin. I like it more than coconut oil....

                                If you are into experimenting big time, Russian dish called cholodetz is basically super-cheap super-concentrated bone and fat broth made with pig's feet, legs and hocks which makes a huge batch of 'jellied' fatty base with meat thrown in. Last time I was on the Anabolic Diet I made it, I froze it right after setting, and would cut a piece a day, since other people wouldn't eat it.

                                Liver sausage is commercial, but it is huge amount of fat.

                                @Robyn: the only way I defeat the afternoon slam is by noting the time it happens and making sure I do something active for a few minutes during that time, stretch or walking the stairs up or down. I even adjusted my work schedule so I leave work at 2:30 rather than at 3 pm, so I will get outside and 'ride it out' on a bus. That 2 to 3 pm is sucker. I also find that sea-weed helps, I think due to salt. Bone broth was the same way for me (though I prefer crunchy seaweed in the summer).
                                Last edited by Leida; 09-07-2012, 05:23 AM.
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