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  • Yes, I have heard about it when I did CKD, but in the end, after initial fat loss, the weight just came back and I started gaining once the body adapted to the higher fat intake/lower carbs, and the water balance did its thing (to be fair I also regained weight on the source yogurt, apples and oatmeal CW). I have never tried the completely ketonic diet before though, because it took me all these years to come to terms with the idea that I will not eat fruit. I still have a hard time with the concept, but at least it is not an outright rejection of the concept.

    EDIT: I guess, when you go on a restricted diet, it is a good idea to concentrate on the things you can have vs the things you can't have. However, I am having trouble with finding something really special to be excited about on the primal per se, as opposite to anything else. Something like "You have to drop fruit, but you can have WOW!" Lots of people salivate about butter or bacon, and I am like: uhm, yeah... I always had salmon, cheese and eggs in my diet. (Shrug) I am a big girl.
    Last edited by Leida; 09-05-2012, 01:10 PM.
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    • Focus on one thing at a time. Focus on adaptation first. Even if you have to overeat to get through it. I think while your body is so confused you get a little grace period on the calories anyway. All those ketones are energy going down the toilet.

      And so what? You've always had salmon, cheese and eggs. Do you get the gooey triple cream goat brie that's almost liquid? Have you ever fried up salmon skin all crispy and put that on a salad? Did you ever add extra yolks to your omelet? The kefir cheese is really good and you could put that on your salmon skin with an egg yolk, a chunk of avocado, a pat of butter and wrap it in bacon.

      You have to do SOMETHING different or else you'll always get all the same results and you'll live in obsessive compulsive food madness the rest of your life.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • We have found it liberating to finally eat foods frequently that we thought were taboo. Red meat: bring it on!! Omlettes or scrambled eggs or quiche every morning if we want. Bacon a couple times a week. Heavy cream in our coffee. It's wonderful to ditch the whole Low Fat paradigm. I am just this week attempting to track my calories and macros after eight months of PB. SparkPeople App says I need to eat 1200-1500 calories a day to lose two pounds a week. From
        What I can see so far I have been eating 1700-2100 per day and still losing a pound or two a week. more on the low side lately, which is why I am exploring the Eat Moar Fat concept. Having trouble getting the fat up without going too far over on calories. My protein needs to go down a bit. Carbs have been in the OK range. It's tough since protein is generally the centerpiece of our meals and it is so easy to end up with fat and protein roughly equal.

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        • Yes, dropping the protein is tricky! I don't succeed every day.

          Now 100% baking chocolate is tasting good. It has 4g of carb per serving, but no sugar. Win!
          Crohn's, doing SCD

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          • Fruit is not instantly taboo, either. Half a large grapefruit is 5-7 g carbs. Half a cup of most berries is about the same. I'll have some fruit now and then, particularly since the Red Cross said if I let my iron drop much more they wont let me donate.
            That put my head in a spin because the amount of iron rich food I eat is high, but then I found out that vitamin C is a co-factor in iron absorbtion. So I try to get a bit of it.
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            • I take a sublingual C and zinc supplement, but probably would be OK without. We split a grapefruit about 5 days a week. I have heard that the enzymes in grapefruit are very good for emulsifying fat. Besides I like them! Now and then we split a banana and I always have apples and berries on hand although we don't eat them frequently.

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              • In terms of calories, this is pretty interesting:
                The Hidden Truths about Calories | Guest Blog, Scientific American Blog Network

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                • Very interesting thread this.

                  My personal experience is that you need to fast (or restrict calories) and eat more fat to keep full for the fasting times.

                  That and exercising hard has helped me lose around 25% of my body weight and achieve pretty good fat levels.

                  I think the Science makes things too complicated sometimes. What we are trying to achieve is often simple if you keep it simple.
                  2010 - 5,11 and 101KG

                  2012 - 5,11 and 77KG

                  Train hard, eat well and love life

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                  • I should have added that my macro levels are 70/15/15 which seem to work well for me (70% being the Fat level)
                    2010 - 5,11 and 101KG

                    2012 - 5,11 and 77KG

                    Train hard, eat well and love life

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                    • PaleoBird,

                      How has the ketogenic diet helped with your seizures? I am using a ketogenic diet for my migraines. They have lessened in numbers and severity. I am looking forward to no more!

                      Funny thing about the ketogenic diet for me is that I have always loved fats. One reason I liked toast as a child was because of the butter and use to get yelled at for using too much. Bacon, chicken skin, beef fat, olives....Yummy! Makes it so easy but weird to add fats in after so many years of avoiding.

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                      • On the menu today:
                        Crio bru with heavy cream, bone broth
                        Salad of a small tomato, a quarter of a cooked beet, an avocado, sundried tomatoes in oil, olive oil and homemade pesto.

                        Don't know what's for dinner yet.
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                          Yes, dropping the protein is tricky! I don't succeed every day.

                          Now 100% baking chocolate is tasting good. It has 4g of carb per serving, but no sugar. Win!
                          you are totally there man!!!! when 100% is good you have arrived
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                          • I am feeling very good today, but had a pretty nerve-wrecking session in the gym yesterday. I had that faint dizzy sensation all through lifting, and was afraid a little. Good thing is it is the heavy week, so the number of reps was low. I actually almost felt like underlifting on the 1x138 lbs. I did drop my max on squat considerably from 'pre-vacation', so it is good news. I am totally jacking the weight by 5 lbs on the next 4 week cycle, and if it goes well, should restore my max on the squat by the end of October. Fingers crossed! Curious how I should do on the bench today. Interestingly, the cardio was swell, even though I had to peel myself off the mat and attach myself to the elliptical almost forcefully, once I broke the anabolic threshold, I started flying and then walked home spiritedly with the pack up the hill for another 30 min. Interesting that cardio actually cleared up the lifting symptoms. Porbably have something to do with the build up of LA in the muscles? Blood flow to the brain? I will try to remember it for tonight to make sure I do my 20 min cardio.

                            As for the food choice, sbhikes, everyone, thank you so much for trying to come up with the suggestions! Heh, none of the things you mentioned are new to me, I ate like this from childhood on, and even on CW, more or less, with just fat reduction (which for me did not sacrifice flavor). I actually loved cookery without fat... BUT!

                            To look at the BRIGHT SIDE, this style doesn't run with my natural taste in food, that is why it can be SUCCESSFUL (it's like me making chocolate based desserts or keeping chocolate for treats, takes no willpower to ignore it, since I don't like it).

                            Since it is pretty much all low reward foods for me (salmon excluded), I can concentrate on food being food, not FOOD PORN.
                            Last edited by Leida; 09-06-2012, 08:02 AM.
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                            • You should lay off the lifting until you adapt. Eating low carb high fat isn't filling your muscles with glycogen and at the same time, since you aren't adapted, it's not really fueling your body's energy needs very well yet either. You are just going to frustrate yourself. Do some walking for a couple weeks and then get back to your normal activities when you feel your energy return. Otherwise, you are setting yourself up for a hard crash. Also, your desire to build bulky muscles might not work so well on a low carb diet, but it will work great if you are hoping to build actual strength, not just visible muscles. But then again, your two goals have always been in conflict. You can't be both thin and obsessed with being willowy and wispy and also be building bulky muscles.
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                              • I don't want to be thin, I want to be firm Muscle + Low BF = Firm. No conflict here, all works towards the same goal. My next week is deload week, and this one is based on dropped maxes, so I should do Okay. By the time next cycle runs around I should be fine.
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                                When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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