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  • I am trying to talk my mom into dropping at least wheat. She always had an apple shape figure, and now she starting to get arthritis and other small health things. I would love to see if getting at least off wheat would help her. She reduced her bread consumption to like 1 to 0 slices a day, while my daughter was staying with her, as I asked her not to feed bread to the kiddo, and lo and behold, 3 weeks later the pants are falling off her. I think she is coming around. Though milk is more likely to be a problem with arthritis, I guess... ?
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    • Just want to report -- after changing my macros to the higher fat, lower protein, and VLC - I'm down 6 pounds in 2 weeks. Gotta love that! and I haven't completely tweaked my diet to reach my %age goals - but I'm close. 10-20-70 --- today will be a good day! Oh, and I've got energy to the max! THIS for a girl with fibromyalgia and boarderline chronic fatigue. Eating primal/paleo is saving my life ......... or at least greatly improving the quality of it!
      1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
      2. Eat to heal
      3. Move to live
      4. Embrace today
      5. Live with intention
      6. Respect my body
      7. Cultivate joy
      8. Find my passion
      9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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      • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
        Today's keto-ish breakfast:
        Four eggs cooked in mixed oils, drank oils from bowl - so yummy.
        One pound of bacon.

        I realize this is a lot of protein, but I'm most likely only eating once today, so aside from that brief glucose spike I'll be burning fat for the next 23-ish hours.
        awesome

        I am BP Coffee for breakfast

        Lunch I guess it was, was 3 cups of bone broth I made and it was yumm-o. And I just now had almost 2 ounces of gizzards. I am really thinking about some greek yogurt and nut butter, but going to try to hold off... a couple of minutes anyways

        75% fat
        24% protein
        1% carbs

        But that will all be so different by tonight.
        65lbs gone and counting!!

        Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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        • Oh, lol. I forgot my BP coffee. Yes, I had that, too, with double the coconut milk for 840 calories.

          EDIT: Also add one cube thick bone broth and 1.5 cups frozen spinach to that list!
          Last edited by Knifegill; 08-31-2012, 11:05 AM.
          Crohn's, doing SCD

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          • Originally posted by tomi View Post
            Eating primal/paleo is saving my life ......... or at least greatly improving the quality of it!
            I love hearing stuff like this. I'm so happy for you!

            Yesterday my book came in the mail: The Big Book of Health and Fitness by Phil Maffetone. He's not particularly low carb or paleo but he comes really super close to both. Anyway, he encourages his patients to do a two week trial that is very low carb to test if they are carb intolerant. He says so many times people will tell him after the 2 weeks that they feel like a new person or they feel young again. I was thinking about that yesterday and it's like for me, it's like being young for the first time.

            If only our enthusiasm and feelings of health could be transferred directly into the brains of our loved ones who are skeptical. Then they could see. Sigh...
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • Originally posted by patski View Post
              I have Jan Kwasniewski's book from ages ago. My parents found him when I was around 15. Being Polish, and Mom being into health stuff, I'm wasn't surprised.
              Mom read it, and they both started eating in Jan's fashion. They lost weight, and I distinctly remember them saying how much more energy they had.
              Then Ma was all like "YOU NEED MOAR FAT! DAT IS WHY YOU HAVE CRAMPS!", so I ate scrambled eggs in butter every day. It helped.
              Until my body was like "NO MOAR EGGS" and I vomited on the way to class one morning
              I wish I could read Polish better than I can! Or somehow get the book translated?
              I remember Ma making this egg type 'cake' that she cut into squares from the book. It was very filling and kind of sweet but mostly savoury.
              Unfortunately, they didn't stick with it.
              When I start Crossfit regularly again, I'm going to seriously track what I'm eating on WOD days and off days to see how I do. This thread is wonderful. I don't have weight to lose, and I *think* I can handle carbs fine. Back to the drawing board!
              Maybe you have an egg intolerance issue? Do you eat them now? The Optimal Diet is available in English on Amazon.

              Originally posted by denise View Post
              any comments on vlc and thyroid issues for women - I think I have seen posts that there could be a link posted before?? It kinda scares me - but then I am a wuss and easily scared by "you could do permanent damage" stuff..
              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
              I think the thyroid thing is totally overblown and an urban legend that won't die. There are a lot of hormonal changes that happen in your body when you cut the carbs. This does not mean that they are bad changes. The thyroid hormones change but that doesn't mean you have hosed your thyroid. It just means your body is making sure it doesn't eat it's own muscle to get a carb fix. It's part of how it relies on fat for energy instead. You WANT your body to do that. It's really very similar to how your insulin hormone is also lower on a low carb diet. It's just what happens.
              Thanks SB.

              Originally posted by oxide View Post
              This may be TMI: but if I'm a very good girl and follow Primal 95% for a couple weeks with no snacking, I get a pretty consistent *ahem* good bowel urge within 10 minutes of breakfast, days in a row, usually followed by a pound or two of fat loss and a smaller stomach and a little more self-confidence. I wonder if this is a sign of ketosis, or just efficient body fat burn.
              Both plus the extra fat helps to lube the piping.

              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
              Wow, it is really super hard to eat that much fat! My target with the whole HSIS method is 108-162g and that's actually quite a challenge. I overdo it on protein, too. I know that PB's typical day is two meals, one very small more like a snack, and a bigger meal at dinner. My hat is off to you, PB, to be able to eat that much fat on so few meals. I can barely reach my target snarfing three meals a day and overdoing it on total calories.

              What I wonder is if I can actually achieve these HSIS targets, will it actually help me lose weight. Only one way to find out. Oh man, do I gotta take my kitchen creativity to a whole new level...
              I sometime have a fat snack after dinner like a chunk of a fatty cheese. Have you ever tried lebne? It is kefir cheese so it has all the great probiotics of yogurty things but with lots more fat and less milk solids. A spoon full of that stuff is a great snack.

              Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
              I only get puffy on days when I go bezerk on the fruit carbs - 400g or so.
              Could you please explain this to my Dad for me?

              Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
              Today's keto-ish breakfast:
              Four eggs cooked in mixed oils, drank oils from bowl - so yummy.
              One pound of bacon.
              I realize this is a lot of protein, but I'm most likely only eating once today, so aside from that brief glucose spike I'll be burning fat for the next 23-ish hours.
              Yes, I find myself licking out plates and pans too. The dog is a little bummed about this.

              Originally posted by tomi View Post
              ......... my doctor is a Paleo preaching MD and crossfitter herself! I have hypothyroidism and am currently trying to find my sweet spot on Armour Thyroid. She has never told me there is any connection between VLC and thyroid issues. She fully supports my low carb lifestyle and encourages me to continue on. I'd say there is nothing to be concerned about. I shoot for 10% carbs.
              Good to know. Thanks, Tomi.

              Originally posted by tomi View Post
              Just want to report -- after changing my macros to the higher fat, lower protein, and VLC - I'm down 6 pounds in 2 weeks. Gotta love that! and I haven't completely tweaked my diet to reach my %age goals - but I'm close. 10-20-70 --- today will be a good day! Oh, and I've got energy to the max! THIS for a girl with fibromyalgia and boarderline chronic fatigue. Eating primal/paleo is saving my life ......... or at least greatly improving the quality of it!
              Yay!

              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
              I love hearing stuff like this. I'm so happy for you!

              Yesterday my book came in the mail: The Big Book of Health and Fitness by Phil Maffetone. He's not particularly low carb or paleo but he comes really super close to both. Anyway, he encourages his patients to do a two week trial that is very low carb to test if they are carb intolerant. He says so many times people will tell him after the 2 weeks that they feel like a new person or they feel young again. I was thinking about that yesterday and it's like for me, it's like being young for the first time.

              If only our enthusiasm and feelings of health could be transferred directly into the brains of our loved ones who are skeptical. Then they could see. Sigh...
              They will see us glowing and say, "I want some of that too".

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              • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                I love hearing stuff like this. I'm so happy for you!

                Yesterday my book came in the mail: The Big Book of Health and Fitness by Phil Maffetone. He's not particularly low carb or paleo but he comes really super close to both. Anyway, he encourages his patients to do a two week trial that is very low carb to test if they are carb intolerant. He says so many times people will tell him after the 2 weeks that they feel like a new person or they feel young again. I was thinking about that yesterday and it's like for me, it's like being young for the first time.

                If only our enthusiasm and feelings of health could be transferred directly into the brains of our loved ones who are skeptical. Then they could see. Sigh...
                +3!! If only...I'm trying to help my son right now and he's not willing to give up his grains...but at least I'm fixing his meals now and he has agreed to stop snacking for two weeks whilst we do this. We'll see.

                I've been tracking and getting the fat up is a challenge...My carbs are too high, protein is good but fat is low. I have to figure out what else I can eat today...but I'm working at it. I love this thread.

                Good news was that I saw my Doc and I'm down from 167 to 159...woot!! He also said he didn't need to see me for a year...this is a good thing!

                Thanks PB for all your help.
                A Woman's Place Is In The Revolution.

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                • So, I'm into Day 5 of my "eat more fat but back off the protein" experiment. Been tracking in My Fitness Pal and my averages look like this:

                  1360 calories a day
                  80g Fat
                  80g Carb
                  80g Protein

                  Or, about a 50/25/25 ratio in terms of calories, overall. I tend to eat a little higher in carbs on workout days and lower on non-workout days just naturally.

                  I realize that for some of you this still isn't a lot of fat, but it's a huge jump for me as I was around 30-40% before.

                  I've been trying to stick around 1400 calories for a slow and steady weight loss, but was finding it nearly impossible with the lower fat levels. But by bumping the fat up this week, I have felt much more satisfied and have had plenty of energy for my strength training and HIIT.

                  I still have about 10 pounds of fat to lose before I reach HSIS, but it's been a struggle. I've been ping-ponging between 149-154 for 4 months now. I will be interested to see if this can get the fat loss started again!
                  "For the great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie—deliberate, contrived, and dishonest—but the myth—persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic ... we enjoy the comfort of opinions without the discomfort of thought."
                  ---John F. Kennedy

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                  • Originally posted by tomi View Post
                    Just want to report -- after changing my macros to the higher fat, lower protein, and VLC - I'm down 6 pounds in 2 weeks. Gotta love that! and I haven't completely tweaked my diet to reach my %age goals - but I'm close. 10-20-70 --- today will be a good day! Oh, and I've got energy to the max! THIS for a girl with fibromyalgia and boarderline chronic fatigue. Eating primal/paleo is saving my life ......... or at least greatly improving the quality of it!
                    Tomi, i LOVE reading posts like this.... fantastic!

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                    • Yeah, I'm thinking about doing the lower protein thing too. A few months back I started buying up tons of chicken breast to significantly increase the protein, but nowadays I am just normalizing the ratios back with nuts as the fat due to cravings. I think I will go back to eating fattier cuts, and hopefully it'll eliminate my cravings for both nuts and chocolate again.
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                      • I got a PM from a forum member asking what kind of foods I find useful in getting enough fat while still keeping the protein moderate and the carbs low. And she asked what a typical day in the gastronomic life of Paleobird looked like. The answer might be able to help some other people here as well so I hope Jenn doesn't mind me re-printing it.:

                        Hi Jenn,
                        No problem.
                        Things on my shopping list that could help:
                        Mascarpone cheese
                        macadamia nuts
                        pine nuts
                        tahini
                        egg yolks (say 2 whole eggs plus 4 yolks)
                        high fat cheeses like brie, camembert
                        labne kefir cheese
                        avocados
                        avocado oil
                        sesame oil
                        fatty fish like sardines, herring, mackerel, salmon
                        lotsa raw butter and cream
                        sour cream (make creamed spinach or kale)
                        coconut products, oil, manna, milk, cream, dry as a snack
                        bone marrow (roast in oven, slurp out)
                        then make broth with the bones

                        Homemade stuff:
                        Fat Bread from the Free the Animal site (version 3)
                        liver pate' made with lots of butter and cream (recipe here : http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65193.html)

                        My typical day is coffee or tea with coconut cream for breakfast
                        Lunch is a small something fatty like a slice of Fat Bread spread thickly with mascarpone or a tupper cup of my pate'.
                        Dinner is veggies and/or a salad with a red meat or fish. You can work extra fat into the veggies like creamed spinach, mashed cauliflower with coconut oil.
                        For dessert I sometimes make whipped cream over fruit ror my Dad while I have a little fruit over whipped cream. Add cocoa powder while whipping. Yumm.
                        Last edited by Paleobird; 08-31-2012, 01:58 PM. Reason: add link

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                        • Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                          Yeah, I'm thinking about doing the lower protein thing too. A few months back I started buying up tons of chicken breast to significantly increase the protein, but nowadays I am just normalizing the ratios back with nuts as the fat due to cravings. I think I will go back to eating fattier cuts, and hopefully it'll eliminate my cravings for both nuts and chocolate again.
                          My n=1 this week, was cutting back on red meat. I had already thought I needed to do that before I started reading all this.
                          So I havent really lowered the protein, well working on it & I did somewhat, but mostly just a different kind of protein with more chicken and fish, and adding fat (which all added some calories but that is okay) So anyways, I had a gain from the weekend, family dinner day, so I gained come Monday morning. So in the last four days, I have lost 4 pounds. Did I say that in this thread already? So Monday morning was up, but Tues, Wed, Thur, and today - down 4 pounds. I know not all fat, but I think at least 2 pounds of it is.
                          65lbs gone and counting!!

                          Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                          • I just put my plan through the calculator today, and it came up with:

                            1450 cals 110 fat 31 TC (24 NC) 90 g protein

                            I am reluctant to let go of 300 g of salmon for supper to decrease protein in two. The rest of protein comes from 3 eggs. No egg whites. Is it really that bad to be higher on protein? If I half the salmon, I can get protein to the desired range, and my cals will go to 1200, but I can beef it up to 1300 with coconut milk/creamed coconut. I will keep both options in mind.
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                            • Originally posted by Leida View Post
                              Is it really that bad to be higher on protein?
                              This was/is my thinking also. For some reason, I felt I would rather be too high than too low, because I thought if I were too low, that maybe part of my weight loss would be muscle loss. I have nothing to base that on. Just something I always thought for some reason. And I guess I thought as long as my calories were in check, it would work itself out.
                              65lbs gone and counting!!

                              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                              • I feel the same way, because the BB articles all urge you to up the protein when in deficit to preserve muscle.
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                                When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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