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    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
    Dr. Eades on Protein Power always recommended net carbs so that's what I've always gone with. I think Mark figured it was too confusing for people to look at the carb breakdown on food labels so he went with gross carbs. Which means his carb curve is even more strict than it appears if you have a net carb point of view by default.

    Wow, trying to figure out my ideal weight is very confusing. If I use my height in cm (160) - 110, I get 50 kilos. If I use 160 -100, I get 60 kilos. The difference in pounds is 110 for the first one and 132 for the second one. That's quite an ENORMOUS range. Plus I'm 133 right now. Definitely not HSIS. Okay S, but not Hot S.
    Net carbs are a scam. leads people to believe carbs just magically dont count, this simply just isnt true. if you are counting carbs by using net carbs you are eating much more carbohydrate than you think.
    check this video out
    The Net Carb Scam --- Don't be fooled by the bogus "Net Carbs" - YouTube
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    • Originally posted by BennettC View Post
      Net carbs are a scam. leads people to believe carbs just magically dont count, this simply just isnt true. if you are counting carbs by using net carbs you are eating much more carbohydrate than you think.
      check this video out
      The Net Carb Scam --- Don't be fooled by the bogus "Net Carbs" - YouTube
      That youtube clip was just a promo for a book but it didn't say anything about WHY net carbs are not a good way to count. I agree with him that stuff like sugar alcohols should not get a free pass but fiber is not digested so why should it be counted? If you have read the advertised book and can explain the author's POV for us I would appreciate it.

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      • Well if fiber is indigestible, I don't see where the scam is.

        115 is what I typically use for my glam weight, but damn, the only time I ever weighed that much I was on the track team in high school and I ate 500 calories a day.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • I haven't been under 135 all of my adult life! And at that weight I was a petite size 6. Mind you that was when 14 years ago - so my todays sizes I'd guess a size 2/4. I'm shooting for that weight again! I don't use the formulas...... I use the mirror I just want to look good naked! and even better in a hot pair of jeans!
          1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
          2. Eat to heal
          3. Move to live
          4. Embrace today
          5. Live with intention
          6. Respect my body
          7. Cultivate joy
          8. Find my passion
          9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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          • Originally posted by Leida View Post
            I can comment on that. I grew up in metric system, and that was a standard formula for calculating normal weight, only for women it was your Height minus 110; and for a ballerina/young lady it was your height minus 115

            So, my height is 169 cm (5'6 and 1/2") My normal weight with 110 formula was 60 kg which translates into something like 133 lbs, and the calculators here in Imperial normally peg my 'ideal' weight at 130-135 lbs range as well based on what size frame you put in (the formula of the 5 for every inch over 5 feet will peg me at 130-133 lbs as well if you count my half inch, LOL!).

            But I was always more comfortable with 54-56 lbs range (which is your 120-125 lbs), which is consistent with the '-115' rule, and the lower end of the healthy BMI spectrum (the cut-off is somewhere between 114 -118 lbs for my height in Imperial).

            My HOT STUFF! weight will be more around 50 -52 kg (110-115 lbs) providing I preserve muscular mass, obviously!

            Uhm, what I am trying to say, those numbers correspond well enough, and one probably needs to adjust them in front of the mirror
            Haha my height -110 would be 40kg and -115 would be 35kg!! According to my Tanita scales, I have close to 40kg of lean body weight (muscle) so I'd literally need to lose EVERYTHING but muscle to get even close to those weights! (Bye bye bones and internal organs!!). My daughter weighs 37 and people describe her as "skinny" and she's shorter than I am (naturally, as she's 10) she's probably 138cm tall.

            Anyway for me to be 45kg that's a BMI of 20, so being 40 would be 17.7 BMI (underweight), and being 35 would be 15.5 BMI (which surely is too skinny for anyone unless they've got an extremely small build).
            All that said, I think I'm pretty okay at 45kg, but one friend said I'd be "skinny and ugly" if I weighed that...(which is quite stupid as I used to weigh that and no one ever accused me of being "skinny").

            I guess I am saying that I don't think it will work for all heights. The shorter you get, the more difficult it would be, simply because you don't necessarily become so much narrower as you become shorter (well I don't mean people "become" shorter... just that shorter people tend to be proportionally wider than taller people). I don't think I have a large build for my height at all... but it would literally be impossible for me to weigh 35kg without severe muscle catabolism, just because I already have MORE than 35kg of muscle.

            Anyway, I'm thinking of eating for a goal of 50kg and then pushing it up a notch when I get there (and/or seeing how I look). I'm aiming for low enough body fat to get rid of that "pooch" of lower belly fat I've had ever since I had kids (the whole saggy, stretched skin look... I was under the impression that it'd take plastic surgery to fix, but there is the idea that if body fat goes low enough, the fat goes away and the skin tightens... ).

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            • Right, so now I think I might be getting it !!!!!
              Today is the first day - of my new calorie counting, ratio split.
              Lets see how it all pans out.........
              "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

              ...small steps....

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              • @Iron Fireling. True. That's what I said about formulas not being that accurate when you are at either end of the bell curve on height. If you used Dr. Jk's formula, your ideal weight would be 50kg. (Height in cm-100) So it looks like his one works for you.

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                • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                  Well if fiber is indigestible, I don't see where the scam is.

                  115 is what I typically use for my glam weight, but damn, the only time I ever weighed that much I was on the track team in high school and I ate 500 calories a day.
                  I can see him calling all the fake bars/shakes etc that advertise low net carbs but really have all kinds of sugar alcohol in them a scam. But fiber is different.

                  Just from seeing you in a swimsuit at your current weight, I would say that you would be kick ass perfection at 120. You might even be a bit skinny at 115.

                  Originally posted by tomi View Post
                  I haven't been under 135 all of my adult life! And at that weight I was a petite size 6. Mind you that was when 14 years ago - so my todays sizes I'd guess a size 2/4. I'm shooting for that weight again! I don't use the formulas...... I use the mirror I just want to look good naked! and even better in a hot pair of jeans!
                  Well, I don't want the focus of all this to get too much onto the losing weight part. Weight stabilization is a byproduct of optimal health. I am doing this and being just a tetch fanatical about it because it is keeping my seizures under control with less meds.

                  Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
                  Right, so now I think I might be getting it !!!!!
                  Today is the first day - of my new calorie counting, ratio split.
                  Lets see how it all pans out.........
                  Go for it, Gwamma!

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                  • sbhikes... I am 5'3 like you and at 115 I am way too skinny and can never stay at that weight. I'd like to be at 125 (currently at 140). 120 would be the lowest I think I could go...even that would be pushing it. It would be nice, but I'm thinking something healthy and sustainable is between 125 and 130.

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                    • Could someone please remind me where to go on the net to calculate my macros ? I have tried to do this myself, but am getting a little confused, alzheimic and generally ready to push the nana-nap button.
                      Thank you
                      "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                      ...small steps....

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                      • Okay I mentioned this thread to hubby who is committed to loosing weight and eating primal but likes to have me help him; he doesn't want to research it himself. Here's the thing...... I have never counted a calorie or carb or even measured my food. In fact doing so sounds incredibly tedious, one more step before I put the food on the plate. He says he's willing to change his macros if I help him find out what they should be. He also thinks it would be good for us to see where our calories are coming from. After reading this thread I've decided I could stand to loose a few pounds myself.

                        Any suggestions where I should start? Here's a little background we've been primal for 2 yrs. I've lost 22 lbs.; Hubby's lost 40.
                        I'm 52 5'2" 120lbs. He's 49 6'2" 230 lbs.
                        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                        • I'm 55, 5'2" (157.5cm), ~107lbs/48.5kg, I wear an American size 2 in most brands. I maintain with about 1500 calories a day, 60-70% fat, around 50g carbs give or take. Does your size have any effect on how few grams of carbs you need to be in ketosis? I always have plenty of energy (a coworker told me I'm naturally caffeinated!)

                          I'm usually the one holding the camera so I don't have many pics of me, but hubby caught me by surprise in the backyard last weekend:

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                          • Hey Goldie you look great! Thanks for posting your numbers it gives me an idea what I need to shoot for.
                            Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                            • You look amazing, Goldie!
                              1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                              2. Eat to heal
                              3. Move to live
                              4. Embrace today
                              5. Live with intention
                              6. Respect my body
                              7. Cultivate joy
                              8. Find my passion
                              9. Meditate on peace in my soul

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                              • Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
                                Could someone please remind me where to go on the net to calculate my macros ? I have tried to do this myself, but am getting a little confused, alzheimic and generally ready to push the nana-nap button.
                                Thank you
                                Gwamma, there is no ONE way to figure your macros. It depends on you and your goals. On this thread we are talking about ketogenic macros which some people like me are doing for health reasons and others are doing for weight loss. A lot of people just do it for ongoing health maintenance. Only you can know if ketosis is right for you.

                                Some people don't like ketosis and/or find it too restrictive.
                                So first question to ask yourself is , "Where am I and where do I want to be?". Set some goals.
                                Then get me some numbers like age, height, current and goal weight, and activity level and then we can start crunching through the numbers and see what you need to do to get from here to there. Sound like a plan?

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