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    I think after 2.5 years of eating mostly primal foods, it is finally taking a toll on me. I am cheating more and more, resulting back in weight gain, which makes me hate my body and I feel aweful after eating ANYTHING.

    I am so limited on breakfasts (sorry, having bacon and eggs or warm steak or salad for breakfast was only fun at the start), and without my raw milk I tend to raid the kitchen even more.
    I cut out milk completely last year for about 7 months and it resulted in a quick weight loss of 10 lbs but then a whopping weight gain of 15 lbs because my body slowed down it's metabolism and I raided the kitchen for carbs, which resulted in eating a ton of pumpkin fried in butter. I just can't go low carb, it back fires shortly after.
    The more I think about how I can't have something because it raises insulin or it ruins my teeth, the worse the cravings get for food because that is what I constantly think about, from the minute I wake up to the minute I go to bed.
    Gosh dang it, I just want to be free from this food obsession, primal this, pirmal that. After 2.5 years I am finally completely mentally insane from it.
    It was much easier to just have all the CW foods in the house and just say 'no', than it is to have these primal foods here and constantly thinking about nutrition and bone health and whatnot.
    Learning about nutrition and caveman foods was good and probably saved me a ton of medical bills in the near future, but it sure isn't doing much for my mental health, when I'm obsessing about what I can and cannot eat and what is more nutritious, and wondering at which point of IF my bones will suffer so I never go beyond 18 hours, even though I'm still not even hungry.

    And it doesn't help that REAL food comes in such large amounts that I have to eat large amounts to make it be gone or it'll rot. I can't just buy 2 leaves of Mustard Greens, NO I have to buy a huge bundle and then stash it somewhere alongside the walls in the fridge...

    I am sick of food, sick of eating, yet I can't stop, I just wish food would leave me alone...LOL

    Surely you guys probably think I'm a nutcase, I don't blame anyone, go ahead and flame away I deserve it.
    Someone f*dging slap me.

  • #2
    sorry to hear you're going through this.

    ditch grains and industrial oils. not carbs!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jakey View Post
      sorry to hear you're going through this.

      ditch grains and industrial oils. not carbs!
      Well I did that 2.5 years ago, not helping.
      I still raid everything in sight the minute I get bored and have nothing else to think about but food.

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      • #4
        Only you have control over you. It sounds to me like you have hormonal issues that are preventing you from feeling full. A semi-implemented primal diet is in some ways worse that SAD. At least in the SAD you are getting vitamin enriched food and drink, which is the only thing keeping most americans from getting scurvy and rickets. When you ditch these, you definitely need to think about nutrients...I like to think of food in terms of the nutrition it provides and not the calories or macros contained in it. You need ample bone broth, seafood, offal, etc.. to get your nutrition when forgoing SAD enriched foods.

        If your hormones, gut flora, and metabolism are not operating efficiently you will not see the rewards of a paleo diet. I would recommend, if you haven't, getting a full bloodwork done, including vitamin panel, thyroid, sex hormones, and all the other stuff they check. Get your labs in the upper quarter of normal ranges and you will be unstoppable.

        That said, food is only a small portion of primal/paleo living. Do you watch TV or surf the net long after sundown? Do you exercise in a way recommended by Mark Sisson and other paleo authors? Do you get plenty of sleep? Are you under a lot of stress? Do you experience cold when seasonally appropriate in your area?

        Just some food for thought...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Issabeau View Post
          Well I did that 2.5 years ago, not helping.
          I still raid everything in sight the minute I get bored and have nothing else to think about but food.
          You need a hobby. Perhaps several. Just remember Primal didn't "give" or "take" anything from you. All you have is the next decision you make. Will it be one that promotes health and homeostasis or not? Much of it is simply brain rewiring. The brain must have its dopamine. It doesn't matter if you get it from good behavior or bad (least not to your brain), so train it to get it from the good.

          Oh, and just go back to basics for a start. Reread the PB with fresh eyes and just do that.
          Last edited by Neckhammer; 08-23-2012, 03:44 PM.

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          • #6
            Stupid, small little tip from me... I have this same problem, wanting to eat everything in sight out of boredom. If you've recently eaten, have a glass of water. If you are craving, have a glass of water. Just try it, makes a world of difference for me. Also, the very low carb thing is not for everyone. Try keeping your carbs around 100g a day and see if you feel satisfied and still losing weight. Tinker around until you find *your* sweet spot.
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            • #7
              "The more I think about how I can't have something because it raises insulin or it ruins my teeth, the worse the cravings get for food because that is what I constantly think about, from the minute I wake up to the minute I go to bed. "
              Perhaps change the perspective from 'what you say no to' to 'what you say yes to'?

              We buy what I consider to be an enormous amount of fruit and veges each week. Currently the kids can go and 'graze' any time they want on:
              Nuts (cashews, pistachios, brazil)
              Fruit (Mandarins, oranges, apples, bananas, kiwis, pears)
              Veges (Carrots)
              Meat (Beef Jerky)
              Dairy (Raw milk, cheese)

              My wife usually has either a scrambled egg or some steamed/stir fried veges (broccoli/cauliflower/mushrooms) for her breakfast/lunch, or shares what she gets for the kids.

              "I am so limited on breakfasts (sorry, having bacon and eggs or warm steak or salad for breakfast was only fun at the start), and without my raw milk I tend to raid the kitchen even more. "
              There is absolutely no reason for breakfast to be composed of just those things. We typically make breakfast a fry-up (bacon, sausage, liver, eggs, mushis, broccoli, kale, onions) or a stir fry, or reheated leftovers from the night before, or microwaved scrambled eggs with cream and butter. Breakfast is just another meal.

              "I'm obsessing about what I can and cannot eat and what is more nutritious, and wondering at which point of IF my bones will suffer so I never go beyond 18 hours, even though I'm still not even hungry."
              So you're fasting at the same time? Maybe if you are going insane about food you should stop fasting. If you are a woman your fasting window should max out at about 14 hours, too.

              "And it doesn't help that REAL food comes in such large amounts that I have to eat large amounts to make it be gone or it'll rot."
              I hear ya. We have the same problem, and not just with veges (we get affordable grass fed beef by the cow, which necessitates another chest feezer). One thing we do is cook up double or even triple meals, and then freeze the redundant copies, which you can get out a subsequent week or whenever you are feeling unmotivated.
              Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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              • #8
                Cravings are real, and sometimes it's good to give in, while other times it's good to wait it out.

                In my experience, when I start the day with yogurt/fruit, squash, or a "carby" almond-flour muffin sweetened with honey, I get massive carb cravings ALL DAY LONG and could eat, eat, eat, eat like a teenage boy and never feel satisfied - meanwhile my guts are miserable and I pay for it the next 24 hrs.

                It helps me to write down what I want to eat, and then make a choice to eat it when it makes sense. A lot of times I fast through breakfast, train around lunch and then have a HUGE meal of as many veggies and protein/fat I can fit on my plate. Then I'll have my carbs, after my tank is pretty full. It satisfies the craving, but I'm not tempted to overeat, and I don't get the insulin surge/crash like I would if I'd have eaten all the sweets on an empty stomach.

                Today I ate once. It took me 1.5 hours to eat everything. I had a 3-egg omelette with 2 oz raw sharp cheddar, served over a bed of sauteed veggies (1 red pepper, 1 onion, 4 leaves torn kale, raw garlic, half an heirloom tomato, 1 c. mushrooms). It was beautiful, colorful, crisp, gooey, salty, spicy, wonderful. I was satisfied, but I've been really tired of looking at my sons' bowls of yogurt, bananas, almond butter, raspberries, nuts, etc..... So I made a massive dessert with all that stuff (I think there was apple in there too), even had seconds, and topped it off with a muffin I stole from the freezer and topped THAT with butter (tasted like frozen cake, omg).

                I won't eat till tomorrow around the same time, most likely, but it's flexible.

                It sounds to me you love food. You're a little tired of the preoccupation, but that happens when we deprive ourselves (or FEEL deprived) and aren't focusing on what we CAN have or how good it will make us feel. Give your tummy a break, fast a little, skip a meal or two (or several), when you feel cooled off, have a personal contest with yourself to see how many veggies you can eat. When your meat/fat/veg quota is pretty full for the day, eat the damn carbs! Primal isn't about never eating treats again.

                Your weight gain might be coming from stress just as much as your "cheats", or retaining water (that can seriously be like 8lbs, I kid you not).

                Use your passion for food and turn it into something positive. Find some new recipes, get creative, find ways to eat the foods you love in the proper context, proper serving, and write down how you feel like before/after you eat it. Eat slowly, chew well, savor what you're eating, don't just hork it down. Mindfulness and gratefulness while eating will go a long way.

                I've struggled with food in the past and still it rears its ugly head, the under-the-surface ED. Hang in there and don't give up. Eat clean, let yesterday go, don't stress about tomorrow -- make a choice today to do something that'll make you feel good about yourself.

                Perhaps limit your milk consumption to 1 c. a day, and then do it before bedtime as a treat, a "carby" treat, with a piece of fruit, if you're worried that's a problem. I could eat my homemade yogurt all day long but I start feeling really shitty if I don't get enough meat, good fats, vegetables, eggs, cheese, or fruit. Just have to be careful WHEN I eat them, and how much. I still eat them... and you should too.

                Be patient with yourself, start new tomorrow, sometimes the relationship with food don't come easy. As with any relationship (sorry if this sounds weird), it takes effort. {{{HTH}}}
                Last edited by ennaejay; 08-23-2012, 04:03 PM.

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                • #9
                  dude I wish I could say something encouraging...but I feel ya pain. Low Carb has my appetite under control but I am just one of those people that will think constantly about food.
                  (hugs)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cavebabymama View Post
                    Stupid, small little tip from me... I have this same problem, wanting to eat everything in sight out of boredom. If you've recently eaten, have a glass of water. If you are craving, have a glass of water. Just try it, makes a world of difference for me. Also, the very low carb thing is not for everyone. Try keeping your carbs around 100g a day and see if you feel satisfied and still losing weight. Tinker around until you find *your* sweet spot.
                    Not stupid, not small. I find this helps me too. Good advice.

                    Also, eating while bored/stressed/emotionally upset is always a poor choice in my experience

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                    • #11
                      I think people keep searching for that magic diet that will make them only eat what they need and no more. As Mike Mentzer liked to say "you have a conscious mind, use it". Only you can decide what goes into your body and a lot of it is mental. This is coming from a formal obese man that finally had to realize that I make me what I am and nothing else.

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                      • #12
                        I'm not trying to be difficult or mean, but I think your thread title is backwards. Primal eating isn't 'giving' you an ED. You have disordered eating tendencies that are not helped by primal eating--and would not be helped by ANY restrictive plan. You need to find a way of eating that allows you to eat moderately and healthily without obsessing.

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                        • #13
                          Life sucks hey? If you hate eating primal than dont do it. Or you can keep doing it and come here every week and use us as therapy I guess.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by emmie View Post
                            I'm not trying to be difficult or mean, but I think your thread title is backwards. Primal eating isn't 'giving' you an ED. You have disordered eating tendencies that are not helped by primal eating--and would not be helped by ANY restrictive plan. You need to find a way of eating that allows you to eat moderately and healthily without obsessing.
                            This is nearly EXACTLY what I was going to post.

                            Nothing will "give" someone an eating disorder. EDs are a mental thing - if you have an addictive personality (addiction to control and structure, in this case) then you can hyper-restrict yourself (in this case, with a dietary change) and cause your body harm. If you have a disorder, it will show itself in some way - Primal, paleo, low fat, high fat, low carb... you could pick any of them and I bet you'd still end up with disordered eating habits. I know I do.

                            When I was vegan, I'd always think about food -- vegan food. I'd think about when my next vegan cookie would be. I'd dream about the lovely vegan loaves of bread my friend's veg-friendly local shop would have in the morning. When I was eating the SAD, I would dream about the ice cream waiting in my freezer, or the packets of fruit snacks in my pantry. Now being paleo/primal, I still think about food all the time -- but now it's of the coconut chips in my pantry, and the dozen apples I have in my fridge. Like someone else in this thread earlier, I always think about food. It doesn't matter if I am vegan, vegetarian, omnivorous, paleo, or primal - I will think about food all the time. (Be my pinterest or instagram friend and you will see how often I post/talk/update about food, recipes, and restaurants!) That's just how I am.

                            You, on the other hand, restrict yourself and become obsessed with the structure and control of a dietary plan. That's just how you are. I don't want this to sound wrong, but it's not Primal that's doing this to you - it's you.

                            In the end, I agree with what many have already said. You should work on listening to your body. Eat what it wants... hell, even if it's not primal. If you find a way to eat that allows you to simultaneously enjoy eating WITHOUT obsession, worry, or fear... that's the "sweet spot". And, if you can't do it on your own, seek help.
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                            • #15
                              Issabeau, I still consider myself a newbie (started March of this year) and only half way to the weight part of my goal (lost 54 of my 105 lbs to lose) so I am only commiserating and not qualified for great advice since you've been doing this for so long. But (did you know there was a but coming?) but, why did you give up your raw milk? From all I have read, it's an ideal, nutritious food. And if it was A2 then you were consuming liquid gold (though that's hard to tell nowadays). Perhaps you should go back to raw dairy and do as another suggested and freeze your leftovers & excess food.

                              I admire you staying Primal for 2 1/2 years. Despite that, I do wonder if you have some sort of hormonal imbalance or deficiency for to be so driven to eat often can be a sign that your body is trying to get something it's lacking.
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