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  • #31
    Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
    Opinions opinions... *sigh* Kathy, it's more important to get the basics down and follow the spirit of Paleo/Primal than to be paranoid and extreme. I do not believe that our Grok Father, Mark Sisson, is a food Nazi, and that was never part of the plan. He encourages us to GET THE BEST WE CAN AFFORD. If one can only afford conventional meat, while ditching the rest of the processed junk, they're much better off than they were before.
    Frankly I would rather eat conventional meat than be a vegetarian. There's just no happy in veganism. It's like when they take the fat out of chocolate and replace it with fruit juice. All the happy is gone.
    Because Father Grok said so it must be OK? Strange analogy. His opinion is just an opinion.

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    • #32
      Make your own flowchart of trade-offs: If you make your own raw goats milk yogurt from heritage breed goats, milked by hand into a bpa-free bucket, or better yet, into an heirloom, lead-free ceramic crock, then it might be acceptable to eat some conventional blueberries with it, but if you eat an organic greek yogurt in a plastic container, but don't recycle the container into a farm implement, you should skip the berries in favor of honey from your own pet honeybee.

      Honestly, our food supply is a mess. But if you are off wheat & sugar, you're miles ahead of the game, and can relax a little. Really.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by KathyH View Post
        Because Father Grok said so it must be OK? Strange analogy. His opinion is just an opinion.
        And so is yours. I'm really glad you have grassfed meats at a reasonable price and so close to you that you can smell the manure. Most of us don't. And I'm just thrilled that you can afford to always buy pastured eggs for your 6 egg morning omelet. I'm sure that the neighborhood fisherman brings you his wild caught salmon twice a week just because he knows you don't mind paying $25 a pound.

        Somewhere else, where I live, I get the best I can find/afford. And just thank the Almighty that I know better than to use Walmart ground beef and Hamburger Helper and think it's good food.

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        • #34
          Unfortunately, you failed to read the entire thread. Too bad for you

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          • #35
            Originally posted by KathyH View Post
            Unfortunately, you failed to read the entire thread. Too bad for you
            I read the thread~ it's your attitude I have a problem with. Get over yourself.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Nady View Post
              I read the thread~ it's your attitude I have a problem with. Get over yourself.
              Oh snap!

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              • #37
                KathyH is a man. Women are far less likely (opinion held due to my painstaking and substantive research) to waste so much time being a total anonymous jerk on the internet. I can almost smell his BO (BS) and the stench of rotting deli lunchmeat from his unflossed teeth.
                Last edited by Terry H; 08-19-2012, 01:44 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                  Because Father Grok said so it must be OK? Strange analogy. His opinion is just an opinion.
                  ROFL. Last I checked, the Primal Blueprint was Mark Sisson's brain child (albeit, clean eating has been around since the dawn of man). So, uh, yeah. If he says it's okay and you're following a Primal lifestyle, it's kind of a no brainer.
                  It's like following Atkins and saying "Oh, well... that's Dr. Atkins opinion". Doesn't quite make sense.

                  *watches as potentially gender-confused man using Kathy name runs to corner to hyperventilate into paper bag. The bag is made from corn. OH NOES!*
                  --Trish (Bork)
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                  • #39
                    Originally Posted by JackieKessler

                    Defrost a pack of chicken, cook it all up, and eat it over the course of a week. Or: cook it up, portion it out into single servings, put into plastic baggies or tupperware and freeze. Take out a single serving whenever you want, defrost in the microwave, and boom: chicken.

                    Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                    Sorry, but that's just gross. I like my food freshly prepared, but if someone likes it then OK.
                    my work week is often over 60 hours. if i didn't batch-cook i'd be nose-deep in a bag of chips in no time.
                    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                    Ernest Hemingway

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                    • #40
                      Yeah, I batch cook, too. Put a large piece of meat in the crock pot and then put the cooked meat in a glass container in the fridge. Eat a little bit every day over the next several days. If I didn't do that, I'd succumb to junk food or primal junk like smoothies, nut butters and too many nuts like everybody else who whines over not being able to lose weight.
                      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                      • #41
                        I made up some almond butter and absolutely love it!!!!! Eating too much of it that's for sure!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Traderjodie View Post
                          Thanks again everyone. Its good to be reminded that going part of the way is still progress. I absolutely love the analogy comparing learning about primal to taking the red pill. I just can't blithely put things into my mouth anymore. I can't "unknow" what I know. But its also a little bit like having the floor pulled out from under you plank by plank. For me the Tuna was just a breaking point. As someone else so eloquently said, tuna in water should be tun in water, damn it!

                          You start to wonder if you can't do all of it, if you can't eliminate soy and everything else, is it worth doing at all? Now the truth is that I know the answer to this question already because I feel so much better. I went to a party yesterday that was advertised as a "BBQ" and turned out to be nothing but pasta! There was literally nothing but different kinds of pasta and a few pieces of celery and peppers. In the old days I would have been devastated and panicky. But I had had a decent breakfast of eggs and bacon and although I was hungry, I wasn't crazy. I just didn't eat until many hours later when I finally got home. I would never ever have been able to do that in the past. So I know this is the right path. I just don't know how far along it I can walk.

                          Again, thanks everyone for the wonderful support.
                          I understand this completely. I felt the same way when I started eating according to WAPF guidelines and couldn't get raw milk. It is illegal to sell it for human consumption anywhere in the country, and only a few places sell it as "bath milk" and none within an 1.5 hour drive of me! I started thinking, "I'll fail unless I get a cow!" and yet... it's all beside the point. The best milk I can get is non-homgenized organic milk, but given that I hardly have any milk anyway, I decided it's not worth it (I will have maybe one cup of tea with a bit of milk each day).

                          I've realised that I'm ahead of the game just avoiding processed junk food, grains, sugars etc. Meat often costs enough without getting super duper wonder meat, so I just reassure myself that meat in this country (apart from chickens) is generally pasture raised anyway, even if it is grain finished... and it's STILL better than chowing down on pasta and white bread.

                          I do read labels more now and just make the best choice I can with what's available to me. I try not to care about being "perfect" because anything I do is still better than what I USED to do!

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                          • #43
                            On the subject of grass fed vs "conventional" I've found that if you hunt around you can typically find a great local butcher. Mine is a mom & pop type operation, and while not 100% grass fed (they claim it's grass "finished") it's some great quality meat, tastes better and is often times very close in price to the grocery store stuff.
                            -Chuck

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                            • #44
                              googling organic farmers in your area may turn up some surprises too. found a cow farmer who offers grass-fed, hormone-free, yadayada hippy ribeyes and such for $$$$ well over my budget. but he will sell me "off-cuts" like tongue, liver, heart, etc for only $4 a pound!

                              my main source of protein is pastured eggs. they are about triple the cost of battery eggs, but still cheap. i eat low on the food chain fish like mackerel, sardines and smelt.

                              my 20% is non-organic produce and cafo meats. if i could afford all-organic, unicorn-raised everything i would.
                              As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                              Ernest Hemingway

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                              • #45
                                Another vote here for batch cooking- I cook egg muffins with bacon or sausage every sunday for weekday breakfasts and a nice tri-tip or chicken on sunday for Big Ass Salad toppings. Long hours and too little time mean batch cooking is the way to go!
                                Male 40 Years Old
                                210 LBs - 5/14/12 - SW
                                ??? LBs- GW
                                36"- Starting pant size
                                32" - Current Pant size

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